[JoshGlazebrook]

Is anyone else just completely overwhelmed with the number of things you _need_ for claude code? Agents, sub agents, skills, claud.md, agents.md, rules, hooks, etc.

We use Cursor where I work and I find it a good medium for still being in control and knowing what is happening with all of the changes being reviewed in an IDE. Claude feels more like a black box, and one with so many options that it's just overwhelming, yet I continue to try and figure out the best way to use it for my personal projects.

Claude code suffers from initial decision fatigue in my opinion.

[levocardia]

I just take a grug brain approach. I do touch CLAUDE.md and then just explain how the code/files/project spec work, like I'm writing a slack message or email to a really smart colleague, and then let it rip, always using biggest model with thinking on. If something consistently goes wrong I add more to CLAUDE.md or even better, have Claude Code just update CLAUDE.md itself with the new issue explained. I'm probably 3 months behind what you could get with absolute SOTA practices but it still works so well that I'm amazed and amused on a daily, if not hourly, basis.

[dimitri-vs]

I'm in Claude Code 30+ hr/wk and always have a at least three tabs of CC agents open in my terminal.

Agree with the other comments: pretty much running vanilla everything and only the Playwright MCP (IMO way better than the native chrome integration) and ccstatusline (for fun). Subagents can be as simple as saying "do X task(s) with subagent(s)". Skills are just self @-ing markdown files.

Two of the most important things are 1) maintaining a short (<250 lines) CLAUDE.md and 2) having a /scratch directory where the agent can write one-off scripts to do whatever it needs to.

[jswny]

I also specifically instruct Claude how to use a globally git ignored scratch folder “tmp” in each repo. Curious what your approach is

[austinbaggio]

You store your project context in an ignored tmp folder? Share more plz - what does it look like? What do you store?

[jswny]

Not memory, I just instruct it to freely experiment with temporary scripts and artifacts in a specific folder.

This helps it organize temporary things it does like debugging scripts and lets it (or me) reference/build on them later, without filling the context window. Nothing fancy, just a bit of organization that collects in a repo (Git ignored)

[brigandish]

How can you - or any human - review that much code?

[Normal_gaussian]

When I'm coding I have about 6 instances of VSCode on the go at once; each with their own worktree and the terminal is a dangerous cc in docker. most of the time they are sitting waiting for me. Generally a few are doing spec work/reporting for me to understand something - sometimes with issue context; these are used to plan or redirect my attention if I might've missed something. A few will be just hacking on issues with little to no oversight - I just want it to iterate tests+code+screenshots to come up with a way to do a thing / fix a thing, I'll likely not use the code it generates directly. Then one or two are actually doing work that I'll end up PR'ing or if I'm reviewing they'll be helping me do the review - either mechanically (hey claude, give me a script to launch n instances with a configuration that would show X ... ok, launch them ... ok, change to this ... grab X from the db ... etc.) or insight based (hey claude, check issue X against code Y - does the code reflect their comments; look up the docs for A and compare to the usage in B, give me references).

I've TL'd and PM'd as well as IC'd. Now my IC work feels a lot more like a cross between being a TL and being a senior with a handful of exuberant and reasonably competent juniors. Lots of reviewing, but still having to get into the weeds quickly and then get out of their way.

[everfrustrated]

>I've TL'd and PM'd as well as IC'd. Now my IC work feels a lot more like a cross between being a TL

Interesting... I've been in management for a few years now and recently doing some AI coding work. I've found my skills as a manager/TL are far more adaptable to getting the best out of AI agents than my skills as a coder.

[austinbaggio]

Same, I was a very average dev coming out of CS, and a PM before this. I find that my product training has been more useful, especially with prototypes, but I do leave nearly all of the hard system, infra, and backend work to my much much more competent engineering teammates.

[dimitri-vs]

TBH I'm not building "production grade" apps depended on by hundreds of thousands of users - our clients want to get to a live MVP as fast as possible and love the ability to iterate quickly.

That said, it's well know that Anthropic uses CC for production. You just slow things down a bit, spend more time on the spec/planning stage and manually approve each change. IMO the main hurdle to broader Claude Code adoption isn't a code quality one, it's mostly getting over the "that's not how I would have written it" mindset.

[bpolly]

From personal experience, most of my time in Claude Code is spent experimenting, iterating, and refining approaches. The amount of code it produces as it relates to time spent working on it tends to be pretty logarithmic in practice.

[blks]

They don’t, they just push garbage, someone else quickly looks over it (or asks another llm to review for him), and merges.

[asdev]

you really don't need any of this crap. you just need Claude Code and CLAUDE.MD in directories where you need to direct it. complicated AI set ups are mid curve

[parpfish]

I refuse to learn all the complicated configuration because none of it will matter when they drop the next model.

Things that need special settings now won’t in the future and vice versa.

It’s not worth investing a bunch of time into learning features and prompting tricks that will be obsoleted soon

[AndyNemmity]

I wish that were true. Models don't feel like they've really had massive leaps.

They do get better, but not enough to change any of the configuration I have.

But you are correct, there is a real possibility that the time invested with be obsolete at some point.

For sure the work towards MCPs are basically obsolete via skills. These things happen.

[parpfish]

It doesn’t require any major improvement to the underlying model. As long they tinker with system prompts and builtin tools/settings, the coding agent will evolve in unpredictable ways out of my control

[AndyNemmity]

That's a rational argument. In practice, what we're actually doing for the most part is managing context, and creating programs to run parts of tasks, so really the system prompts and builtin tools and settings have very little relevance.

[dnautics]

i don't understand this mcp/skill distinction? one of the mcps i use indexes the runtime dependency of code modules so that claude can refactor without just blindly grepping.

how would that be a "skill"? just wrap the mcp in a cli?

fwiw this may be a skill issue, pun intended, but i can't seem to get claude to trigger skills, whereas it reaches for mcps more... i wonder if im missing something. I'm plenty productive in claude though.

[AndyNemmity]

So MCPs are a bunch of, essenntially skill type objects. But it has to tell you about all of them, and information about all of them up front.

So a Skill is just a smaller granulatrity level of that concept. It's just one of the individual things an MCP can do.

This is about context management at some level. When you need to do a single thing within that full list of potential things, you don't need the instructions about a ton of other unrelated things in the context.

So it's just not that deep. It would be having a python script or whatever that the skill calls that returns the runtime dependencies and gives them back to the LLM so they can refactor without blindly greping.

Does that make sense?

[dnautics]

no that makes no sense. the skill doesn't do anything by itself, the mcp (can be) attached to a deterministic oracle that can return correct information.

[austinbaggio]

In our experience, a lot of it is feel and dev preference. After talking to quite a few developers, we've found the skill was the easiest to get started with, but we also have a CLI tool and an MCP server too. You can check out the docs if you'd prefer to try those - feedback welcome: https://www.ensue-network.ai/docs#cli-tool

[dnautics]

yeah but a skill without the mcp server is just going to be super inefficient at certain things.

again going to my example, a skill to do a dependency graph would have to do a complex search. and in some languages the dependency might be hidden by macros/reflection etc which would obscure a result obtained by grep

how would you do this with a skill, which is just a text file nudging the llm whereas the MCP's server goes out and does things.

[wouldbecouldbe]

It seems to mostly ignore Claude.md

[songodongo]

If you can test how often it is being used by having a line in there saying something like “You must start every non-code response with ‘Woohoo!’”

[csar]

It’s told to only use it if relevant because most people write bad ones. Someone should write a tool to assess CLAUDE.md quality.

[AndyNemmity]

It does, Claude.md is the least effective way to communicate to it.

It's always interesting reading other people's approaches, because I just find them all so very different than my experience.

I need Agents, and Skills to perform well.

[_the_inflator]

I like the finetuning aspect to it quite a lot. It makes sense to me. What I achieved now is a very streamlined process of autonomous work of an agent, which can more and more often be simply managed than controlled on a code review level basis for everything.

I agree that this level of finetuning feels overwhelming and might let yourself doubting whether you do utilize Claude to its optimum and the beauty is, that finetunging and macro usage don't interfere, when you stay in your lane.

For example I now don't use the planing agent anymore instead incorporated this process into the normal agents much to the project's advantage. Consistency is key. Anthropic did the right thing.

Codex is quite a different beast and comes from the opposite direction so to say.

I use both, Codex and Claude Opus especially, in my daily work and found them complementary not mutual exclusive. It is like two different evangelists who are on par exercising with different tools to achieve a goal, that both share.

[AndyNemmity]

Yeah, at a certainly level, it's just a ton of fun to do. I think that's why so many of us are playing with it.

It's also deeply interesting because it's essentially unsolved space. It's the same excitement as the beginning of the internet.

None of us know what the answers will be.

[wouldbecouldbe]

All I use is curse words and it does a damn great job most of the time

[lobito25]

Same here :)))), he's really good at understanding when you're pissed off.

[nineteen999]

I thought I was the only one.

[anonzzzies]

Yep, that usually works best.

[eterm]

This isn't necessary. Claude will read CLAUDE.md from both:

  1. Current directory ./CLAUDE.md
  2. User directory ~/.claude/CLAUDE.md

I stick general preferences in what it calls "user memory" and stick project specific preferences in the working directory.

[austinbaggio]

It feels like Claude is taking more of the Android approach of a less opinionated, but more open stack, so people are bending it to the shape they want to match their workflow. I think of the amnesia problem as pretty agent-agnostic, though, knowing what happens while you're delivering product is more of an agent execution layer problem than a tool problem, and it gets bigger when you have swarms coordinating - Jaya wrote a pretty good article about this https://x.com/AustinBaggio/status/2004599657520123933?s=20

[AndyNemmity]

I'm the opposite, I find it straight forward to use all these things, and am surprised people aren't getting it.

I've been trying to write blogs explaining it recently, but I don't think I'm very good at making it sound interesting to people.

What can I explain that you would be interested in?

Here was my latest attempt today.

https://vexjoy.com/posts/everything-that-can-be-deterministi...

[majormajor]

You say "My Claude Code Setup" but where is the actual setup there? I generally agree with everything about how LLMs should be called you say, but I don't see any concrete steps of changing Claude Code's settings in there? Where are the "35 agents. 68 skills. 234MB of context."? Is the implementation of the "Layer 4" programs intended to be left to the reader? That's hardly approachable.

[AndyNemmity]

I got similar feedback with my first blog post on my do router - https://vexjoy.com/posts/the-do-router/

Here is what I don't get. it's trivial to do this. Mine is of course customized to me and what I do.

The idea is to communicate the ideas, so you can use them in your own setup.

It's trivial to put for example, my do router blog post in claude code and generate one customized for you.

So what does it matter to see my exact version?

These are the type of things I don't get. If I give you my details, it's less approachable for sure.

The most approachable thing I could do would be to release individual skills.

Like I have skills for generating images with google nano banana. That would be approachable and easy.

But it doesn't communicate the why. I'm trying to communicate the why.

[majormajor]

I just don't have much faith in "if you're doing it right the results will be magically better than what you get otherwise" anymore. Any single person saying "the problems you run into with using LLMs will be solved if you do it my way" has to really wow me if they want me to put in effort on their tips. I generally agree with your why of why you set up like that. I'm skeptical that it will get over the hump of where I still run into issues.

When you've tried 10 ways of doing it but they all end up getting into a "feed the error back into the LLM and see what it suggests next" you aren't that motivated to put that much effort into trying out an 11th.

The current state of things is extremely useful for a lot of things already.

[AndyNemmity]

That's completely fair, I also don't have much faith in that anymore. Very often, the people who make those claims have the most basic implementation that barely is one.

I'm not sure if the problems you run into with using LLMs will be solved if you do it my way. My problems are solved doing it my way. If I heard more about your problems, I would have a specific answer to them.

These are the solutions to where I have run into issues.

For sure, but my solutions are not feed the error back into the LLM. My solutions are varied, but as the blog shows, they are move as much as possible into scripts, and deterministic solutions, and keep the LLM to the smallest possible scope.

The current state of things is extremely useful for a subset of things. That subset of things feels small to me. But it may be every thing a certain person wants to do exists in that subset of things.

It just depends. We're all doing radically different things, and trying very different things.

I certainly understand and appreciate your perspective.

[majormajor]

That makes sense.

My basic problem is: "first-run" LLM agent output frequently does one or more of the following: fails to compile/run, fails existing test coverage, or fails manual verification. The first two steps have been pretty well automated by agents: inspect output, try to fix, re-run. IME this works really well for things like Python, less-well for things like certain Rust edge cases around lifetimes and such, or goroutine coordination, which require a different sort of reasoning than "typical" procedural programming.

But let's assume that the agents get even better at figuring out the deal with the more specialized languages/features and are able to iterate w/o interaction to fix things.

If the first-pass output still has issues, I still have concerns. They aren't "I'm not going to use these tools" concerns, because I also sometimes write bugs, and they can write the vast majority of code faster than I can.

But they are "I'm not gonna vibe-code my day job" concerns because the existence of trivially-catchable issues suggests that there's likely harder-to-catch issues that will need manual review to make sure (a) test coverage is sufficient, (b) the mental model being implemented is correct, (c) the outside world is interacted with correctly. And I still find bugs in these areas that I have to fix manually.

This all adds up to "these tools save me 20-30% of my time" (the first-draft coding) vs "these agents save me 90% of my time."

So I'm kinda at a plateau for a few months where it'll be hard to convince me to try new things to try to close that 20-30% -> 90% number.

[ok_dad]

Damn, it really is all just vibes eh? Everyone just vibes their way to coding these days, no proof AI is actually doing anything for you. It's basically just how someone feels now: that's reality.

In some sense, computers and digital things have now just become a part of reality, blending in by force.

[minimaxir]

With Opus 4.5 in Claude Code, I'm doing fine with just a (very detailed) CLAUDE.md.

[austinbaggio]

Do you find you want to share the .md with the teams you work with? Or is it more for your solo coding?

[Myrmornis]

Not saying you were suggesting it but people committing AGENTS.md in shared repos is pretty annoying IMO. Those things are personal.

[lukev]

A claude.md file will give you 90% of what you need.

Consider more when you're 50+ hours in and understand what more you want.

[AndyNemmity]

In my experience, I'm at the most where I entirely ignore Claude.md - so it's very interesting how many people have very different experiences.

[austinbaggio]

It is overwhelming. We have support for Cursor mcp as well, but you lose a lot of the auto-magic stuff you get with the Claude Code plugin. Unfortunately, skills are pretty sticky to the Claude Code stack. It is kind of the vim of AI coding agents. . . One of the goals for this tool was to address context management in a single place. i.e instead of setting up all of the rules, claude.md, and skill.md you just semantic query a specific namespace in your knowledge base.

the docs if you are curious: https://www.ensue-network.ai/docs

[pigpop]

You don't need all that, just have Claude write the same documentation you would (should) write for any project. I find it best to record things chronologically and then have Claude do periodic reviews of the docs and update key design documents and roadmap milestones. The best part is you get a written record of everything that you can review when you need to remember when and why something changed. They also come in handy for plan mode since they act as a guide to the existing code.

The PMs were right all along!

[einsteinx2]

I use both Cursor and Claude Code in VS Code at work (so I get similar control as Cursor). I don’t really use Claude Code any differently than cursor. People way over complicate it.

[csar]

Claude Code is better out of the box, so all that other stuff is orthogonal or optional. If you eg want to give your agent access to your company’s Notion docs you need a skill.

[metadat]

Don't forget about the co-agents.. yeah.

[animitronix]

Nope, I spend time learning my tools.