[like_any_other]

They are considering banning the largest opposition party, are using wiretaps and informants against it [1], have banned (ban since lifted) a magazine [2], and opened a criminal investigation into someone calling a fat politician fat online [3]. They are openly planning even worse [4] (if you dislike the author, keep in mind every claim is sourced, so take it up with the sources).

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/13/court-confirms-germ...

[2] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-compact-press-freedom-right-wi...

[3] https://www.foxnews.com/media/germany-started-criminal-inves...

[4] Germany announces wide-ranging plans to restrict the speech, travel and economic activity of political dissidents, in order to better control the "thought and speech patterns" of its own people - https://www.eugyppius.com/p/germany-announces-wide-ranging-p...

Edit as reply to nosianu, because I am "posting too fast":

> Liar. Some demand it - but it is not considered by those with the power to actually do it, not even close.

On Monday, the center-left Social Democratic Party (SPD), which is currently serving as the junior coalition partner in Berlin’s conservative-led government, voted unanimously to begin efforts to outlaw [AfD]. - https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/06/europe/germany-afd-ban-po...

The Jewish German intelligence chief trying to ban the AfD - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/12/09/jewish-ger...

I would not call the head of German intelligence and ruling coalition parties "not even close". Kindly save that liar label for yourself.

> The AfD happily participates in state and federal elections and is in the federal parliament (Bundestag).

"Considering" means they haven't done it yet. Some tried, but have not yet succeeded.

[amarant]

Largest opposition party?

It's a neo nazi terrorist group with a political wing!

There are 9 main parties in Germany, AfD doesn't even make top 10…

Your comment is like saying the US is shooting political dissidents, and then referring to Al-Qaida or ISIS.

[like_any_other]

> It's a neo nazi terrorist group with a political wing!

If you have a source showing AfD organized terrorist attacks, please present it. I could find no such thing.

> There are 9 main parties in Germany, AfD doesn't even make top 10…

In the 2025 elections, the largest party, the CDU, got 28.5% of the vote. The AfD came second with 20.8%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2025_German_fed...

So you're simply lying.

[the_why_of_y]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Walter_L%C3%BCbcke

[like_any_other]

> He also had connections to the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) and the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) parties.

Following the source wikipedia gives [1], we see the extent of that "connection" was that the killer donated €150 to the AfD, and that the AfD had previously criticized the victim (by sharing the victim's exact own words online).

Let's apply your standard evenly then, shall we? A writer for the state-funded left-wing Amadeu Antonio Foundation, armed with hammers and pepper spray, attacked a right-wing activist [2]. This attack was one of many [3]. So by your standard the German state sponsors and endorses terrorists. The US Democrat party wants to create an ICE tracker [4]. ICE agents have been the targets of attacks and ambushes [5,6,6a]. And of course it was hateful rhetoric [7] against Trump and Kirk that led to their (attempted) assassinations by the left. By your standard, the Democrat party engages in stochastic terrorism.

Of course that's just guilt by (vague) association. Enough for you, but I have higher standards. Bill Clinton pardoned a terrorist who (among other things) bombed the Senate. She now sits on the board of BLM [8,9]. An axe-wielding maniac attacked a Republican senator's home. Democrat politicians then donated money to the attacker [10]. The founder of the terrorist group Weather Underground [11], Bill Ayers, is now a distinguished professor at the state-funded University of Illinois [12], so we can add them to terrorists as well. As well as the University of California, where the terrorist Angela Davis is also a distinguished professor. "Terrorist" can be a vague term, so let me be specific: she bought the shotgun seen here taped to the neck of Judge Harold Haley, and helped plan the attack that killed him [13].

"In an op-ed piece after the election, Ayers denied any close association with Obama, and criticized the Republican campaign for its use of guilt by association tactics." - perhaps you should reflect on this.

So now what? Will you reconsider calling AfD terrorists? Will you instead also call the US Democratic and the German CDU parties terrorists? Maybe even apply more skepticism to the news sources that have so deceived you by cherry-picking what they show you?

Or will you reconsider nothing, and just hope the next person you lie to is less informed? Rhetorical question.

[1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/father-neighbor...

[2] https://www.bild.de/regional/berlin/linksextremisten-greifen...

[3] In 2023, the AfD saw 86 violent attacks on AfD party representatives. This was more than on any other German party. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

[4] https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5566481-ice-tra...

[5] https://www.ngocomment.com/p/the-first-federal-terror-case-a...

[6] https://www.fox4news.com/news/texas-ice-detention-center-att...

[6a] https://www.foxnews.com/us/who-joshua-jahn-shooter-deadly-da...

[7] That some of this rhetoric was true makes no difference - the charge of "stochastic terrorism" had no exceptions for truth when used against the right. And indeed the AfD's statements about the victim in the case you linked are not even alleged to be untrue.

[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

[9] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-terrorist-rosenberg/ ("mixture" because yes it's all true, but it's "subjective" if bombing government buildings is really terrorism)

[10] https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/01/09/democrats-donate-to-suspec...

[11] At one point, the Weathermen adopted the belief that all white babies were "tainted with the original sin of "skin privilege", declaring "all white babies are pigs" with one Weatherwoman telling feminist poet Robin Morgan "You have no right to that pig male baby" after she saw Morgan breastfeeding her son and told Morgan to put the baby in the garbage. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

[12] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

[13] https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/31eyvt/judge_h...

[kmeisthax]

These statements are meaningless without considering who is being targeted by these rules. For context, Germany has a long-standing constitutional ban on Nazis. This isn't anything new; what is new is that one party (the AfD) is trying to find ways around the ban.

If you're arguing that the AfD aren't Nazis, I'm not sure I agree. They're already privately talking about deporting German citizens.

If you are arguing that banning a political party[0] is inherently wrong... sure. I'll agree with you, with one caveat. How do you meaningfully stop people from doing that? Just saying "Well, that would be illegal, so just disobey the illegal order" is not good enough. That's what you do for otherwise normal politicians that fuck up drafting the law[1]. But the people who are doing this shit are malicious. They need to be removed from power or they will just keep trying until they get their way. And that effectively means banning the political party trying to ban everyone else. Only a stand user can beat another stand user. Hence, the constitutional ban on Nazis.

[0] I should not have to explain to people that the Nazis banned other political parties.

[1] see also, the US 1st Amendment, which prohibits laws that restrict speech without specifying any meaningful punishment for politicians that attempt to restrict speech.

[remig31]

>They're already privately talking about deporting German citizens.

That's not specifically a Nazi policy. In fact, remigration is an increasingly popular political idea in various Western countries that don't have any specific Nazi past (US, the UK, Australia, etc.)

(Remigration is also frequently done by non-Western countries as well.)

[nosianu]

> They are considering banning the largest opposition party

Liar. Some demand it - but it is not considered by those with the power to actually do it, not even close. The AfD happily participates in state and federal elections and is in the federal parliament (Bundestag).

Why are you against freedom of speech??

People saying what they want is allowed! No action of that kind was or is taken. AfD and its members continues to participate in normal political life and getting elected, and they continue to participate in TV and media interviews.

What exactly is your complaint? You complain about some people's speech - while claiming to be for freedom of speech! Very peculiar.