[wakawaka28]

Articles like this are unfair to boomers. Yes they have 50% of the wealth or whatever despite being 20% of the population, but they also have had time to earn that wealth fair and square and are not quite elderly enough to have spent it all on average. I'm sick and tired of articles blaming normal people who worked for what they have for issues that amount to geopolitical struggles.

[dghlsakjg]

The article barely mentions boomers, and in the one place it does, it cites a stat, and then immediately abdicates them of any responsibility for that stat.

The rest of the article is about a different generation of folks and the current conditions/perceptions of those conditions.

Why make this about boomers? The article is not about them, nor is a brief factual mention of them unfair. Nor is the follow up sentence absolving them of responsibility for the one thing time are mentioned.

[blactuary]

"fair and square" = building wealth by owning homes while fighting tooth and nail to prevent enough new housing to be built. A house was never supposed to be an investment vehicle, it's a place to live and as we grew in population we needed more of it to keep up.

[wakawaka28]

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[antonymoose]

Not going to pick on Boomers specifically, but I entered the workforce in 2011. I watched my late Gen-X and Elder Millenial seniors swoop up cheap houses post recession for cheap rates then flip and sell them and go remote in cheap locations. I’m talking buy at 300k and sell at 800k-1M type of deals in 10 years.

While you’re right, there is work involved on the part of the boomers, the amount of leaving scorched earth for future generations is infuriating to watch.

[wakawaka28]

>I watched my late Gen-X and Elder Millenial seniors swoop up cheap houses post recession for cheap rates then flip and sell them and go remote in cheap locations.

This may be true but many just a few years earlier lost everything. The people who bought houses cheap were the ones who saved diligently just like you may be doing, who had money to take advantage of an opportunity. I was not one of these lucky ones but I can't fault people for making good financial decisions. If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at the ones who bought houses they obviously couldn't afford, and the people behind the exorbitant loan issuances for overpriced houses. THAT is what we will ultimately suffer for. Not someone buying a house that they can afford at a time when everyone is desperate to get money.

[kubb]

I agree with you, except the "fair and square" part.

Can we please stop pretending there's any fairness to any of it? That the reward is proportional to merit, effort, strength of character, utility, or any respectable and desirable quality? That everyone was on equal footing when trying to succeed?

That would be great, thanks.

[fuzzfactor]

You really do put it in perspective when you look at it closer like that.

It never was fair.

Tens of millions of boomers, if they could even get paying work during rampant inflation & recession, still had to work minimum-wage jobs for many years at rates like $2 per hour. With constant overtime or they wouldn't be able to make ends meet or have any kind of home equity now. Many for more than a decade before anything resembling recovery was on the horizon.

Most are still not homeowners and those that are, very few have it paid off completely even if they have been there more than 30 years.

The cool thing is that millions of others were in better positions, avoided the massive layoffs, and actually weren't dragged down as far by the predatory financial policies of the time. And there are whole neighborhoods of them today where it's still a free enough country where you often get to witness their eventual stately homes and selection bias where this kind of good fortune finally arrived after all this time.

In case not everyone remembers, the "great recession" of the 21st century was a nothingburger by comparison.

[wakawaka28]

Do you seriously expect middle aged people to not have like double or more in savings compared to young people? I think you need to do some calculations...

We may not all be on equal footing, but life is a game of skill and chance. It's easy to look at some people who, for example, made money from buying a house, while forgetting all those who didn't actually gain anything. Playing by the same rules is what makes it fair.

If you want to cry about something unfair, cry about inflation. It makes all the supposed "wealth" figures go up as everyone gets poorer. That sure isn't fair. It might be unavoidable at this late stage in our societal decay, but that is hardly any consolation.

[kubb]

Ah, you’re determined to believe that everyone is playing by the same rules.

Carry on. You need that to live.

Unfortunately that very belief is perpetuating the issue you’re complaining about, but your worldview may very well hinge on you not making the connection.

[wakawaka28]

We generally do play by the same rules in life. No system of rules is going to be perfect, but we have basically the most fair system in the world.

>Unfortunately that very belief is perpetuating the issue you’re complaining about, but your worldview may very well hinge on you not making the connection.

We just have different beliefs about what makes a thing fair. I think your worldview depends on tearing down the foundations of civilization, and I would like for you and everyone like you to recognize it sooner rather than later.

[coldtea]

>but they also have had time to earn that wealth fair and square

By pawning the future of their country and its economy: printing money, making the economy a casino and getting trillion dollar bailouts, outsourcing industry, basing the web on ad revenue, making a God out of the stock market and enshittifying everything in the process...

[fuzzfactor]

All this 21st century activity you're pointing out was mainly carried out by those about 20 years younger than the youngest baby boomers.

All we had were multi-million-dollar bailouts to go with that.

You know, the value of the dollar and all.

There was major presidential malfeasance and this thing called "inflation" back then too. It was devastating with no actual recovery since. Or young people wouldn't be complaining now.

[coldtea]

The activity I describe started well before the 21st century.

Remember "yuppies" - the boomer ideology that dialed up consumerism and financialization of all aspects of life. Reaganomics? The 1989, 2000, and 2008 crashes? The Great Outsourcing? Also in the eve of 21st century, boomers were merely from 40 to 54, so well represented in all positions of power and business. Clinton and Bush J were boomers. And Boomers got more entrenched as time went by and as they reached their 50s and 60+ for the later ones.

Same in Europe too, were e.g. people like the French 68'rs (the youth of the late 60s student revolts, roughly similar to the same era youth in the US later turned yuppies), have been running things since the early 80s in the most selfish, destructive, and narcissistic ways.

[fuzzfactor]

Agree completely.

These are the significant minority that prevailed both in the US and Europe.

There's always been plenty of them, and they have had some remarkable windfalls.

Who else was left with any chance of power to prevent your prominent, legendary old-timers from doing the damage they did?

Too many times they couldn't really be stopped from taking the reins any time they could, and steering things to their own advantage more so than anything else.

The great majority of everybody else was brought to the edge of ruin by all those financial disaters not of their own making.

Just like the decades-younger crowd today, it's the same type of greed playing out in the same way.

[cco]

I'm also always curious to know what happens if you remove wealthy boomers from this pool.

I forget the exact numbers, but let's say ten billionaires own 50% of all the wealth in the US; how many of those folks are boomers?

That'd remarkably change this ratio if it were the case that much of this wealth is held by only a few very wealthy boomers.

[ThrowawayR2]

If anyone's curious, from https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distr...

- Top 1% -> 31.0% of total US household wealth

- Top 10% but excluding the top 1% -> 36.4% of total US household wealth, i.e. the top 10% have 67.4% of total US household wealth

- The bottom 90% -> 32.6% of total US household wealth

[fuzzfactor]

IIRC a current statistic is that the top 10% overall own 60% of the wealth.

Also I believe that actual surviving boomers are underrepresented in that 10% compared to the general population now. And that trend can be expected to continue predictably.

[wakawaka28]

I would expect many/most billionaires to be boomers or older. It takes time to accomplish anything. Idk how many are "new money" vs "old money" (majority inherited) but I sure don't expect a high proportion of young people among the ultra wealthy.