[roughly]

I’ve been a fan of The Ezra Klein Show for years - whatever your thoughts of his personal politics, he’s a fantastic interviewer, and I think he does a great job at both helping define and then interrogating the strongest construction of his guest’s beliefs. He’s not a soft interviewer, but he’s genuinely trying to understand his guest, and I’ve learned a ton about how people who I disagree with view the world.

[misiti3780]

His podcast has gotten a lot worse over the years. It feels over-produced now and he doesnt have a lot of interesting guests on anymore. 90% of it is useless policy wonks no one has heard of pumping their latest shitty book no one will read.

Andrew Sullivan (Dish Cast) is doing a much better job and isnt associated with a main stream media org.

[biophysboy]

Klein is a smart liberal journalist and Sullivan is a smart conservative journalist. They both get guests from think tanks/mainstream media/academia. They both book guests that are on book tours. The distinction you're making is not really true.

[misiti3780]

Andrew Sullivan isnt conservative in 2025

[roughly]

I actually enjoy some of the wonkishness. Hearing a good interview with people who are experts in a particular field is a great way to learn.

[m-hodges]

I miss the Ezra Klein that did a weekly policy whitepaper deep dive on The Weeds.