[nntwozz]

In the same vein many years later:

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After the original iPad was released, Steve Jobs held a meeting with the MacBook engineering team and demonstrated the difference in wake speed.

He woke up a current MacBook (with an Intel chip), which took a few seconds.

He then instantly woke up the iPad (with an Apple A-series chip) by pressing the home/power button on and off rapidly.

Jobs told the team, "I want you to make this" (pointing to the MacBook) "like this" (pointing to the iPad), and then walked out of the room.

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This no longer exists at Apple.

[CharlesW]

"Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people." — George Bernard Shaw

[OGEnthusiast]

I'm confused, doesn't it literally exist now (post-Jobs) that we have Apple silicon on the Mac?

[tomtom1337]

They mean «this kind of demand/leadership» no longer exists. Not the particular feature of the wake up time.

[grimgrin]

"this" meaning that level of care, not the wake-up speed

[astrange]

How much care do you think it takes to design a CPU correctly? Remember, you can't patch out any bugs in it.

[NetMageSCW]

Intel patches out bugs in their CPUs all the time.

[astrange]

Yeah and they suck at it. They keep having to cancel entire features like MPX!

But to do this, Intel CPUs have updatable microcode, which is a feature that comes at a cost and which not all CPUs have.

[astrange]

There are many performance engineering jobs open at Apple if you would like to search the careers page.

[apple4ever]

All of which are managed by people who don't care like Jobs did

[astrange]

Ah, so what you're doing here is confusing "caring" with "borderline personality disorder".

This is also why men like dating crazy girls. It's not actually a good relationship or management style.

(To balance this out, one thing I noticed reading those bios of Jobs where he shouts at everybody, is that the people being shouted at were all director/distinguished engineer level or higher, so they were all earning millions per year. It's not like he did that with everyone.)

[apple4ever]

No I am using "caring" to mean "caring." I use the words I mean to, so please don't tell me I don't mean what I say.

And while Jobs implementation of "caring" was not as good as it could've been, and he could've solved the same problems a bit nicer, he still "cared" and still solved the right problems.

The people at Apple today don't have the same level of care, especially the senior leadership. If they would, I wouldn't have all these bugs that show it.

[santoshalper]

It also didn't always work. At no point did the MacBook boot nearly as instantly as an iPad. That said, Jobs' obsession with UX was a powerful driving force and your point stands.

[aeyes]

Wake from sleep, not boot. I have a MacBook sitting in front of me and I just tested it: It wakes from sleep pretty much instantly.

[SoftTalker]

Was that a hardware or a software improvement?

My Dell laptop running Ubuntu wakes from sleep pretty much instantly.

[nasretdinov]

Probably both. Apple Silicon macbooks seem to never actually sleep, they just switch to the energy efficient cores, similar to how iPhones / iPads never truly sleep either. You can tell by leaving e.g. a while loop in zsh running and printing the date + sleep, and when you reopen the lid you'll see quite a few iterations actually completed.

[eunoia]

It does now with M series chips. iirc Apple made a point of demoing the quick wake in the announcement too.