[gsa]

I have been looking to buy a new laptop personally. Framework has a compelling argument. But with only 4 ports on the Framework, I'd likely be switching the ports often. In addition to using USB-C, I often need a USB-A for an external mouse but other times a HDMI port to connect to a display while presenting.

I don't think it's fair to compare Thinkpad X1 Carbon with Framework. The T14 range is a much better comparison. While Lenovo took a few steps back a few years ago the last couple of generations seem to be much better in regard to being repairable. The T14 Gen 5 [0] gets a 9/10 score on ifixit. Parts are easily available globally, while Framework is still somewhat limited in this regard geographically.

That said, it's great we have a choice! If it were not for Framework, I don't think Lenovo would have made an effort to make the Thinkpads repairable again.

- [0] https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T14_Gen_5

[nfriedly]

My FW13 has two USB-C ports so I can charge from either side and have one free while it's charging, and then USB-A on one side and MicroSD on the other.

That covers all of my frequent needs. (My main monitor has usb-c input, and I have a couple of inexpensive adapters/hubs for HDMI, DP, Ethernet, etc. - all of which are used infrequently.)

I was a little concerned before buying it, and four is probably the minimum number of ports I could be happy with. But in practice I've been very satisfied with my port selection, and if you do need more ports, there's always the FW16.

[coldpie]

I don't know anything at all about hardware engineering, but I am surprised they couldn't stuff 2 USB-C ports into one of those modules.

[nfriedly]

Folks have done it in the community forum, and it works fine for basic data. It gets tricky when you want to support charging, because then you need multiple voltage levels and the circuitry to convert between them. Apparently video is hard to do also.

[je42]

you can switch the ports pretty quickly on framework laptops.

[gsa]

In my experience (my partner has a Framework), changing a port is not something easily done without putting the Framework bottom side up. In practice you need to stop whatever you are doing to first sleep the laptop, turn it over, change the port and then get back to what you were doing before. Repeat the process if you want to get the ports back in the original order.

[MostlyStable]

I have a 16, not a 13, but I thought that the module swapping system was relatively similar, and this is not at all my experience. I just tilt up the bottom, click the port lock, and then pull out the module, and put in the new one. It takes me less than 10 seconds, all while the computer is on and open. So unless they module swap system isn't the same, I would have expected it to be even easier on the smaller, lighter 13.

[The_President]

Don't think I've ever done this. I reach under it, press the release button with one finger and with the adjacent finger grab the indentation under the card and slide it out. Card comes out in like two seconds.

[nfriedly]

Yeah, I agree with this. I find it simpler to just carry a couple of usb-c to whatever hub/adapters for when I need to a port my framework doesn't have built in.

[least]

The expansion cards seem pretty gimmicky to me. You're replacing a hub with... a bunch of hubs with one port on it. I know it opens up to some third party modules (this one seems particularly cool: https://github.com/LeoDJ/FW-EC-DongleHiderPlus) but for the most part you are getting less connectivity than other laptops. You don't even get an audio jack without taking up one of your expansion slots (edit: on the Framework 16. 13 includes it).

If the expansion slots were larger then they could have maybe facilitated something like getting 2 usb-a ports in exchange for the one USB-C which feels like an actual thing to consider. As it is, it just doesn't feel like you're gaining anything. If you're carrying any additional expansion cards with you you lose the only advantage it has over buying a hub, which can turn that one usb-c slot into multiple usb-a ports, ethernet, hdmi, audio, sd card reader, etc.

[nfriedly]

For what it's worth, the 13 does have an audio jack. It's only the 16 that requires an addin card for that.

I get what you're coming where you're coming from though. For me, the whole package was worth it, but that's probably not true for everyone.