[tguvot]

>sure, we all agree that it is partly designed to get people to hang up in disgust and give up

actually, as someone who works in this area - no, it's not. it designed to help people to do things and metrics of success are closely monitored

[keeganpoppen]

fair enough. i totally believe that, and for the record i threw that bit in as an olive branch to the parent commenter… in retrospect, i shouldn’t have even included that rhetorical sludge. major chesterton’s fence area, that.

[HeatrayEnjoyer]

It is often both.

[tguvot]

not in my experience and it will be more expensive to company