[pavel_lishin]

> one should celebrate the birthday of the most influential and awesome man in the history of mankind.

Perhaps, but - and take this with as many grains of salt as you like, since I'm an atheist - I've heard decent arguments that he was not born anywhere near December.

Plus, everything associated with Christmas as Americans celebrate it has virtually no bearing on the actual events of his birth and/or life, except I suppose the gift-giving.

[raw_anon_1111]

There is no argument about whether Jesus was born on Christmas. Most theologians won’t argue that he was.

[aristofun]

Jesus was a real person, it’s a historical fact, not disputed by any worthwhile historians.

If 25 december is not an accurate birthday it’s okay, im happy with moving the celebration to other day if new findings arise.

I wasn’t saying that one particular way of celebrating is right or wrong. My point was about it’s only natural to pay respect to a man who influenced your life, no matter who you are and where you are in this world today. Apparently the degree of influence varies by many factors from almost zero to maximum possible.

[asacrowflies]

The man who influenced MY life for the better are you INSANE.... I AM NATIVE AMERICAN LMAO

[aristofun]

Tell me honestly.

Would you rather live today in a pagan war oriented society (and likely die or be enslaved in the next clan war) without all the technological achievements of the last centuries than in the society where you have all the opportunities to work at home or in a comfortable office and argue with a stranger on HN forum without risk of being scalped alive?

[asacrowflies]

Lol how vile. The usual claiming all progress and achievement globally for your in-group while spouting racist stupid white man's burden nonsense about how you saved us all lmao. Only modern Christians can be so gross while having that Utah Mormon esque smile.

[morgan814]

> war oriented society

Christianity loves going to war to “spread the word”. See the Crusades. See what’s going on in Israel. See Manifest Destiny. Or, I presume, those “don’t count” because they weren’t “real Christians”.

> and likely die or be enslaved in the next clan war

The Old Testament is full of slavery references and doesn’t indicate a problem with it. Yes, I know slaves must be set free after seven years. That doesn’t suddenly make it okay and it’s painful to watch people use that as a justification.

> technological achievements of the last centuries

Christians love to claim these advancements for themselves as long as it fits their story. Much of our mathematical advancements come from the Muslim world. And plenty of scientists that changed the world were under prosecution of Christianity.

But it is convenient that a doctor (who has spent years learning about the human body) can remove your bad gallbladder then attributing it to your god. Unless you’re a type of Christian that doesn’t believe in surgery, then it’s “of the devil”.

> without risk of being scalped alive?

Well, as long as you’re not a Palestinian trying to survive a genocide that is in part supported by fundamentalist Christians on the other side of the planet.

Frankly, your comment reeks of “white Jesus saved the world” or what many might refer to as racism. Your example of scalping really, really gives you away.

[aristofun]

> See the Crusades. See what’s going on in Israel

Really, christians are to blame for what’s going on today in Israel??

80th level of dumb, congrats! :)))

> Christians love to claim these advancements for themselves

If you play the game of putting hanging all the dead dogs to christianity, it’s only fair to also attribute all the good achievements to it.

Otherwise it doesn’t look fair or logical, isn’t it? Though I doubt you know what logic is :) you just want to spread hatred

Ps: crusades were pretty symmetrical and reasonable response to arabic expansion and aggression back then. Also it wasn’t in any way unique or more cruel than countless other conflicts and wars throughout the history, there is nothing uniquely “Christian” about it.

[asacrowflies]

And you wish to speak of technology as if that is from your Christ.... What happened to gallileo? Copernicus? Descartes? Almost every great philosopher and scientist for the past 500 years has been in direct conflict with Christianity.... And Christianity is the reason TODAY in America we have to deal with anti-vaxxera, evolution isn't real, young earth creationist etc etc.... maybe you should stfu before opening your mouth to spout such stupidity.

[aristofun]

Galileo, copernicus, descartes were all christians, also newton.

Some of them were in conflict with the church. Never with christ or god.

If you’re ignorant and uneducated enough to not see the difference between the 2 then there is no point to argue with you. You’re likely brainwashed.

Ps: Also if you didn’t know first western universities started as monasteries with monks seeking the truth in the name of christ.

[sethammons]

Brainwashed? Try pasting your comment into an AI and ask for an analysis. Your weak argument is selectively true, historically shallow, and ideologically motivated. It reflects apologetics. It's not reflective of serious history.

You have a whole world of truth you are willfully blind to judging by your comments.

I am a fan of Dr. Dan McClellan, who uses the slogan “data over dogma.” He’s best known for his work in biblical scholarship and for presenting religious topics with an emphasis on evidence-based interpretation rather than theological assumptions.

Either his book or online content will challenge your views, and if you are honest with yourself, likely change your theological dogma.