[mullingitover]

> every company is defacto under the states control.

This is kind of a nonsensical statement. Every US company is also de facto under US control, too. They're all subject to US laws. Beyond that, as demonstrated by the recent inauguration, the US oligarchs are demonstrably political pawns who regularly make pilgrimages to the White House to offer token gifts and clap like trained seals.

You can't hold up the US as some kind of beacon of freedom from state control anymore, for the past year all the major industrial leaders have been openly prostrating themselves to the state.

[Workaccount2]

The US has a constitution and courts. Companies win against the government all the time.

China has no such thing. It's just the will of Xi.

[mullingitover]

> The US has a constitution and courts. Companies win against the government all the time.

Again: a nonsensical statement, China also has a constitution and courts, Chinese companies prevail in lawsuits against their government[1][2].

Your turn, name some top-tier US companies which have gone against the party and the regime in the past year.

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/1cddb8cc-a7ac-11e4-8e78-00144feab...

[2] https://chineseft.net/story/001076244/en

[Workaccount2]

If you knew about China, you would know that local governments are basically the kids of the emperor. You can complain to the emperor about his kids. You cannot complain to the emperor about the emperor.

But even that aside, the emperor still has ultimate say in the final ruling from whatever court. Please show me the stories of courts shooting down Xi. I can show you tons shooting down Trump...

[fragmede]

The supreme court's decisions lately seem to be more Xi oriented in style than is perhaps, comfortable, if one wishes to put some daylight between the practices of the two nations.

[Imustaskforhelp]

> You can't hold up the US as some kind of beacon of freedom from state control anymore

100% agree. I never said that America is a beacon of freedom. To be honest, its Europe for me which still has overall more freedom and less blatant corruption than America's blatant corruption right now

I was just merely stating that these are on a scale though. European freedom (think proton or similar,yes I know proton's swiss but still) > America's freedom > China's freedom

Its just that in my parent comment I had mentioned America models solely because they are still better than China's in terms of freedom.

Europe already got mistral but an European SOTA model does feel like it would have advantages.