[fidotron]

You are deliberately missing the point. The EU would have continued to conveniently ignore VW diesel emissions had the US, a competing power, not pointed them out.

> Instead the EU levied their own fines against VW including a €875 million fine in 2021.

Only because the US found them out. The EU was quite happy with VW until then, and liked to act all smugly superior about emissions.

> When can we expect the US to slap X with a multi-million dollar fine?

For what exactly? What US laws have X, under Musk, broken?

[morsch]

Per capita emissions in the US are what, twice as high as in the EU? And given that the US is ruled for the foreseeable future by outright climate change denialists, that's unlikely to change.

[netsharc]

Hard to disagree with you: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...

[fidotron]

Thanks for digging that up.

And yet many persist in their delusions of EU infallibility.

[gizzlon]

Infallible? Come one, that's a straw man, who thinks EU is infallible?

It migh just be better than other alternatives ATM..

[fidotron]

Just look at how the responses in here go to even the slightest criticism of the EU. (Particularly my original reply in this thread, which was even flagged for a long time).

The point here is only geopolitical competition with the US has kept the EU remotely honest. They clearly cannot be trusted to enforce their own laws when it suits powerful entities within, and will lie to their population about doing so until it becomes impossible to hide.

Obviously the same applies to other geopolitical actors too. The EU trend towards bureaucratic rule by diktat is astounding though, and it's rapidly getting all the downsides of the Chinese system and none of the upside.

[exceptione]

These are all unsubstantiated vibes. My advice is to exchange fido for intellego.

[CrossVR]

You are the one who's deliberately missing the point. The EU accepted the findings from the US and took regulatory action.

Whereas the US ignores the findings from the EU, refuses to take regulatory actions against big tech, enacts sanctions against EU officials and calls for the disbandment of the entire union.

A bit of an overreaction at the very least wouldn't you say?

[fidotron]

What are you on about?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...

That's the UK, France and Germany lobbying to keep the emissions tests inadequate so VW can continue.

> Whereas the US ignores the findings from the EU

What findings? That X acts as a forum for openly contradicting centrally decreed EU dogma and thus needs to be shut up? That's not a winning argument.

[CrossVR]

You're still missing the point. Imagine an alternate reality where the EU denied any of the US findings and instead backed up VW in their assertions they've done no wrong. They then levied sanctions against multiple senators that advocated in favor of the Clean Air act and called for the US to disband.

Does that sound reasonable?

> That's the UK, France and Germany lobbying to keep the emissions tests inadequate so VW can continue.

I'm sure there are many states within the U.S. that are currently lobbying for even less regulation of Big Tech.

[fidotron]

The US found VW breaking US and EU laws. The EU has found [tech cos] supposedly breaking EU laws only and keep inventing nonsense to try and force their ideals on the rest of the world. It's boring, hence the (minor) sanctions on these individuals to get them to stop wasting everyone's time.

If the EU want to block parts of the Internet off then go for it. Just don't pretend it's everyone else's fault that it's embracing mass censorship and that this is in any way compatible with the values of the enlightenment.

[saubeidl]

"Their ideals" being not deceiving consumers and giving researchers access to data, as required in our market.

Why is whatever law VW broke "real", while these are "nonsense"?

[CrossVR]

So you're saying that if the EU had less strict laws then such a reaction would've been appropriate? Then it would've been totally reasonable for the EU to sanction US senators to stop wasting everyone's time with their air quality standards?

[fidotron]

> So you're saying . . .

I'm using words to say what I mean, not what you are hallucinating, so I will clearly state for the final time:

VW was caught, by US authorities, violating EU laws, and it transpired that EU officials had been lobbying to enable VW and other EU champions to continue to do so.

The equivalent would be the EU catching US companies violating freedom of speech in the US, and clearly pointing this out. This is not what the EU have been doing.

My root reply in this thread was flagged, despite being stunningly milquetoast, in a transparent attempt to hide any inconvenient dissenting view, which is precisely what the EU are trying to do.

[amarcheschi]

You're talking as if eu officials knew about vw hiding its emissions