[axus]

Why can't the plan be judged on its merits? Rigorous verification of the idea is a good thing that should happen anyways. The main potential problem I see is transmission of privileged information to a third party.

I assume they are working at a business to make money, not a school or a writing competition.

[andy99]

Because AI can generate meritless works far faster than anyone can judge their merits. Asking someone to read your AI thing is basically asking someone to do the work for you. If you respect your colleagues time, you should be sharing your best version of inputs, not raw material. Not only that, you should have thought about and be able to defend it. Throwing some AI thing over the fence, you haven’t thought about it either, why would you expect your colleague to?

I’d add to that, long form AI output is really bad and basically unsuitable for anything.

Something like “I got GPT to make a few bullet points to structure the conversation” is probably acceptable in some cases if it’s short. The worst I can imagine is giving someone a “deep research” article to read as if that’s different from sending them to google.

[tediousgraffit1]

This is a trust issue. If someone I trust hands me a big pr, I focus on the important details. If someone i dont trust hands me a big pr, i just reject it and ask them to break the problem down further. I dont waste my time on this kind of thing, regardless of whether it was hand written or generated.

[axus]

Yes I made the assumption that the person who "put the plan together" did their own diligence of reviewing it before emailing, but maybe that is too charitable for an "AI plagiarist".

If someone sends me incomplete work I will judge them for that, the history of the work relationship matters and I didn't see it in the blog post.

[zephen]

The unstated elephant in the room is that you can't possibly know how much thought the originator has given to this.

You can't know if it has been reviewed and checked for minimal sanity, or just chucked over the fence.

So you have to fully vet it.

And, if you have to fully vet it, then what value has the originator added? Might as well eliminate their position.

[dj_mc_merlin]

> The unstated elephant in the room is that you can't possibly know how much thought the originator has given to this.

You can just ask them if they reviewed it in detail.

[xeckr]

>Might as well eliminate their position.

It's where we're headed.

[ben_w]

> Why can't the plan be judged on its merits? Rigorous verification of the idea is a good thing that should happen anyways.

Situational.

I don't know this blogger or what the plan involved; but for sake of agument, let's say it was a business plan, and let's say in isolation it's really good, 99.9% chance of success with 10x returns kind of good.

Everyone in whatever problem space this is probably just got the same quality of advice from their own LLM prompting. That 99.9% is no longer "in isolation", it is a correlated failure where all the other people doing the same thing as you makes it less viable.

That's a good reason not to use a public tool, even when the output is good.

Correlated risk disguised as uncorrolated risk was a big part of the global financial crisis in the late 00s.

[recursive]

The problem comes from the asymmetry between the effort that went into generating and judging. You can have one person spinning out documents that can keep a whole team busy and dragging everyone down.

Along the same lines as "A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes."

[dj_mc_merlin]

If the documents they're putting out are bad, then they're doing bad work and that eventually comes with consequences from your coworkers and superiors. If they're doing good work, then great! Who cares if an LLM wrote most of it and they just edit it? That's not super different than the current relationship between senior and line workers.

[recursive]

I guess I'm making some assumptions here. But I've been asked to review some documents before. Maybe I didn't notice the ones that were good. But my general assumption is that if someone gives me the output of an LLM to review, it's not going to be good work. In my experience it hasn't been good work generally.

[bakugo]

> Why can't the plan be judged on its merits?

Because of the difference in effort involved in generating it vs effort required to judge it.

Why are you entitled to "your" work being judged on its merits by a real human, when the work itself was not created by you, or any human? If you couldn't be bothered to write it, why should someone else be bothered to read it?

[uhhhd]

This is petty and bad business. No serious entrepreneur or leader worth his salt cares about this.

[bakugo]

Well, clearly, you know a lot about being a serious enterpreneur. Don't let us luddites drag you down, I'm sure your next 100% vibe coded B2B SaaS will be a massive success.

[unyttigfjelltol]

So many technologists offended at the use of technology. Next they’ll insist on pen-on-paper for truly authentic work product, and after that, 3 days’ wilderness meditation on it, to prove you really internalized it.

Look, it’s now like, email in 2004. You see spam, that it has found email. It doesn’t mean you refuse to interact with anyone by email, write geocities posts mocking email-users. You just acknowledge the technology (email) can be used for efficiency, results, and it also can be misused as a giant time-waster.

The author of the article here is basically saying “technology was used = work product is trash”. The ”spam” folks are seeing must be horrible to evoke this kind of condemnatory response.

[acedTrex]

Because judging something on its merit is intrinsically tied to judging the underlying amount of effort that was put into something.