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by arrrg 178 days ago
For decades trusting the US was no problem at all. The relationship was mutually beneficial. Cooperation and trust among nations is possible and Juche (completely self-reliance) is not a worthwhile goal at all. So, sure, cooperation is great and should always be a goal – it also secures peace (people who are economically intertwined are less likely to go to war with each other).

The issue is the US burning up that earned mutual trust. And at some point you have to sadly abandon ship. Cooperation is great, trade is great, but not under all circumstances and all the time.
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BSDobelix 178 days ago
Have you already forgot the Merkel Phone incident?

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-spy-agency-tapped-g...

Trusting the US should be considered a problem since decades.

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HolyLampshade 178 days ago
This is not uncommon between even allies: https://www.dw.com/en/german-intelligence-spied-on-white-hou...

The issue has less to do with intelligence silliness, and more to do with the fact that the overall geopolitical objectives of the US can not be trusted, and that rift has grown to a point where self-reliance on critical infrastructure may be in Europe’s best interest.

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bayindirh 178 days ago
That's a small blip on the timeline. If you want some serious, long running stuff, you should read Crypto AG scandal.
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BSDobelix 178 days ago
>Crypto AG

The cracked encryption was not given to "friends" but country's like Libya

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bayindirh 178 days ago
> not given to "friends"...

US started to eavesdrop on Turkey and Greece first. Germany pulled out of the project by citing this is going too far for them. Some citations from news:

The Germans were taken aback by the Americans’ willingness to spy on all but their closest allies, with targets including NATO members Spain, Greece, Turkey and Italy [0].

Operation Rubicon [1] has a map of spied countries, incl. NATO allies and "friends".

I failed to find that great long-read article. If I can find, I will attach it here, too.

[0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rubicon

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