[queenkjuul]

> thousands of developers are using the tools productively,

There's at least one study that suggests that they actually are not in fact working more productively, they just feel that way.

Unfortunately for me personally, Claude Code on the latest models does not generally make me more productive, but it has absolutely led to several of my coworkers submitting absolutely trash-tier untested LLM code for review.

So until i personally see it give me output that meets my standards, or i see my coworkers do so, I'm not going to be convinced. Legions of anonymous HN commenters insisting they're 50 year veterans that have talked Claude into spitting out perfect code will never convince me.

(I spent over an hour working with Claude Code to write unit tests. I did eventually get code that met my standards, after dozens of rounds of feedback and many manual edits, and cleaning up quite a lot of hallucinatory code. Like most times I decide to "put in the effort" to get worthwhile results from Claude, I'm entirely certain I could have done it faster myself. I just didn't really feel like it at 4 on a Friday)

[FloorEgg]

The seed of this thread was the premise that using these power tools requires skill. Skill that takes time and practice to become proficient at.

And my point was whether or not people take the time to develop the skill depends on their motivations, values and beliefs.

In this thread I have weighed both sides;, cases when LLMs are productive and when they are not.

Your comment comes off as biased and evidence of my point.