[aqme28]

> Yeah, hard disagree on that one, based on recent surveys, 80-90% of developers globally use IDEs over CLIs for their day-to-day work.

This is a pretty dumb statistic in a vacuum. It was clearly 100% a few years ago before CLI-based development was even possible. The trend is very significant.

[pjmlp]

CLI based development predates IDEs for a couple of decades, and we moved away for very good reasons.

[noodletheworld]

Strawman.

Imaginary situation: People are using claude instead of cursor, and you can run claude in a terminal, so this is going back to the days of not using an IDE for the people that do it.

Straw man shake down: Terminal based development like vim and emacs are old and shit, and we moved away from that for a reason, and so (although totally unrelated) this means 'using claude' means going back to using a terminal for everything, which is similarly old and shit.

...but, obviously wrong.

- There's a claude desktop app that isn't done via the terminal.

- Agents use the terminal/powershell to do lots of things, even in cursor because that's the only way to automate some things, eg. running tests.

- Terminal environments like vim and emacs are ides. :face-palm:

- It literally makes no difference what interface you copy and paste your text prompt into and then walk off to get a coffee in agent mode.

Anyone who's seriously arguing that IDE integrated LLM chat windows somehow beat command line LLM chat windows is either a) religiously opposed to the terminal window, or b) hasn't actually tried using the tools.

...because, you'll find it makes no difference at all.

Why is cursor getting involved with graphite? ...because the one place where is makes a difference is reviewing code, where most CLI based tools (eg. `git diff`) are just generally inferior to visual integrated code review tools.

You know what that is?

An acknowledgement that cursor, in terms of code generation has nothing that qualifies as the 'special sauce' to use it over any other tool. CLI or not.

So they're investing in another company that actually has a good, meaningful product.

[pjmlp]

Lets see how that holds in five years time.

I am betting it won't.

By the way, there are OS APIs, I am yet to write a CLI driven agent, as part of iPaaS deployments, which are basically SaaS IDEs.

vi and Emacs are certainly not IDEs, they are programmer editors, although with enough effort they may pretend to be one.

[wredcoll]

Now I want to see the goal posts for what makes an IDE...

That being said, surely the point here is about "agent driven development" vs "ai autocomplete". As they say, whether you type your command into a web window or a terminal window presumably doesn't change the flow that much.