[roamerz]

>>I don’t know how to connect constructively

Yeah we probably never will. The part of him that everyone hates is creating a division in the nation. On the flip side I disagree so much with what the Biden administration did I am willing to accept his faults and will bide my time until Vance and Rubio take office when hopefully the hate will subside and we can start to come together as a country.

[dpark]

The part of him that I hate most is that he’s exposing a huge chunk of the country as being willing to continue to support a man who very clearly cares nothing about democracy or the country except to the extent that it lines his pockets.

> hopefully the hate will subside and we can start to come together as a country

Trump got elected on a platform of divisiveness and hate and he’s continued that playbook since. You can’t support him and then seriously say you want the country to come back together.

[roamerz]

The emotional hate I see is mostly centered around the person and not his policies. I am hopeful yes that once that divisive aspect is gone we can at least have somewhat normal discourse about policies and centrist ideas.

[dpark]

Centrist ideas like abducting people off the street and sending them to deportation camps without due process under the assumption of guilt? Or centrist ideas like sending troops into politically opposed states out of spite? Or sweeping tariffs imposed without congressional approval? Or centrist ideas like the president having virtually unlimited authority and freedom from criminal prosecution for effectively any act?

What centrist ideas do you believe are going to come from any of this? Because this stuff isn’t centrist.

[roamerz]

I wonder how many true citizens have actually been deported? Do you have any specific cases to cite? The sheer number of people that are being processed is due to prior administrations open border policy. They didn't enforce the law that has been approved by congress (since you mentioned congressional approval) and by doing so have created the situation which we now find ourselves. Want to change the law? Do it correctly.

The troops were there to protect Federal Law Enforcement and Federal property. I imagine that would happen in any case regardless of political affiliation. In any case I 100% support that. Federal Officers are there to enforce the law.

>>freedom from criminal prosecution for effectively any act. Were you referring to Biden's son? Seems within scope of the comment.

[dpark]

The US specifically doesn’t gather or publish stats about citizens who are detained or deported. Shocking, that.

But you can easily search on Google and find some info. Propublica has an article claiming they investigated 170 cases of citizens detained by ICE, some without communication for more than a day, some physically abused. There’s info out there.

Are we only concerned about deportations of citizens, though? Not illegal detentions? Not abuse? Not deportation of legal residents?

> The sheer number of people that are being processed is due to prior administrations open border policy.

Obama got called the deporter in chief because he deported so many immigrants. It’s possible to enforce immigration laws without having a bunch of masked men snatching people off the street.

I think there’s a real conversation to be had about immigration. But that’s not what’s happening.

> Want to change the law? Do it correctly.

Agreed. Follow the law. Deporting residents in violation of court orders is not following the law. Denying due process is not the law.

Maybe Biden should have enforced the law more effectively. Trump flouting the law doesn’t fix that.

> Were you referring to Biden's son?

No. I was referring to the president. And the Supreme Court essentially granting the president immunity for any and all actions.

Are you under the impression that Hunter Biden was president at some point? Or maybe you believe that Biden being addicted to coke and buying a gun is somehow relevant to any of the actions Trump has taken

Or maybe you’re not acting in good faith and you’re invoking this as a distraction.

[muwtyhg]

> Want to change the law? Do it correctly.

This is incredibly rich coming from the person defending Trump, the man who is ruling almost exclusively via executive order.

> The troops were there to protect Federal Law Enforcement and Federal property.

You are OK with them performing rule lawyering to get around the intent of things like not deploying the military into US cities against US citizens. When Trump posted his "Chi-pocalypse Now" meme, do you think he was implying the military was going to Chicago to "protect federal property"? His exact phrasing in the Tweet was "I love the smell of deportation in the morning".

> Were you referring to Biden's son? Seems within scope of the comment.

What are you talking about? He obviously means the *PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY* ruling SCOTUS handed down recently. Don't be obtuse, Biden's son does not have presidential immunity for his actions.

And again, this is rich coming from you considering the people that Trump is pardoning this term...

[1659447091]

The "emotional hate" isn't for the singular person, its the methods used to enact and enforce policies that this admin is taking, which will continue even when he is gone so long as the senior staff running things in the background are still there.