[marcus_holmes]

> “rejection of reason,” the same instrumentalized, utilitarian, and reductionist force that has pushed us to the edge of ecological collapse.

This "rejection of reason" is also why we have anti-vaxxers and a host of other problems.

Rejecting reason is insanity.

[undershirt]

I think debates are interesting because it’s obvious that people are temporarily imprisoning any devastating arguments within their higher sense that something about it is wrong.

The attempt to “rationalize” and discover what this higher intuition is saying might look like rejecting reason, even if temporarily. But I think it underscores what is really meant by “rejecting reason”— that understanding the true meaning of a logical argument requires a vigilant process directed by a higher moral directive, to ensure nothing “evil” is laundered through it.

[marcus_holmes]

I think logic and morality are distinct and separate.

I'm not even sure what a "higher moral directive" is, or how you'd define "evil" in the context of a logical argument.

[CGMthrowaway]

There are reasonable and unreasonable people on many sides of the global warming and vaccine safety debates. Do you disagree?

[marcus_holmes]

I think this is a different use of the word "reason". Reasonable people may not be using reason, or even reasoning.

But yes, there are definitely unreasonable people on both sides of any debate, especially when that debate is mostly conducted on social media.