[chasd00]

> I believe what we need to wake up to or come to terms with is that our industry (everything that would go into NASDAQ) is a farce.

the thing is, with software development, it's always been this way. Developers have just had tunnel vision for decades because they stare into an editor all day long instead trying to actually sell a product. If selling wasn't the top priority then what do you think would happen to your direct deposit? Software developers, especially software developers, live in this fantasy land where the believe their paycheck just happens automatically and always will. I think it's becoming critical that new software devs entering the workforce spend a couple years at a small, eat what you kill, consultancy or small business. Somewhere where they can see the relationship between building, selling, and their paycheck first hand.

[heliumtera]

Technology has absolute qualities. Not a fantasy. Are you being paid to browse hacker news? Probl not, but here you are. Maybe you never considered this, but programming for other reasons other than a salary is a possibility. If those pesky programmers gave it all away, for free, what would be left for you to sell? In this case, would you leave technology? Would you go somewhere else and practice your selling there? Can't we defend building for the sake of building? Doing for the sake of having fun? Maybe you would be left with nothing to sell, I understand, but that's fine for me. Sorry.