[avazhi]

"At this point in time I start to believe OAI is very much behind on the models race and it can't be reversed"

This has been true for at least 4 months and yeah, based on how these things scale and also Google's capital + in-house hardware advantages, it's probably insurmountable.

[drawnwren]

OAI also got talent mined. Their top intellectual leaders left after fight with sama, then Meta took a bunch of their mid-senior talent, and Google had the opposite. They brought Noam and Sergey back.

[mmaunder]

Yeah the only thing standing in Google's way is Google. And it's the easy stuff, like sensible billing models, easy to use docs and consoles that make sense and don't require 20 hours to learn/navigate, and then just the slew of bugs in Gemini CLI that are basic usability and model API interaction things. The only differentiator that OpenAI still has is polish.

Edit: And just to add an example: openAI's Codex CLI billing is easy for me. I just sign up for the base package, and then add extra credits which I automatically use once I'm through my weekly allowance. With Gemini CLI I'm using my oauth account, and then having to rotate API keys once I've used that up.

Also, Gemini CLI loves spewing out its own chain of thought when it gets into a weird state.

Also Gemini CLI has an insane bias to action that is almost insurmountable. DO NOT START THE NEXT STAGE still has it starting the next stage.

Also Gemini CLI has been terrible at visibility on what it's actually doing at each step - although that seems a bit improved with this new model today.

[mips_avatar]

I'd be curious how many people use openrouter byok just to avoid figuring out the cloud consoles for gcp/azure.

[vanviegen]

Openrouter is great! Prepaid, no surprise bills. Easily switch between any models you desire. Dead simple interface. Reliable. What's not to like?

[metadat]

With OpenRouter it can be unclear if you're getting a quantized model or not.

[mmaunder]

Agreed. It's ridiculous.

[visarga]

I do. Gave up using Gemini directly.

[mips_avatar]

I mean I do too, had a really odd Gemini bug until I did byok on openrouter

[ewoodrich]

Gemini CLI via a Google One plan is the regular consumer billing flow which is pretty straightforward.