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by manbitesdog 176 days ago
TIL I have a "open Hacker News" hand reflex
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I learn more reading the comments here than anywhere else. Thanks everyone for my addiction.
It just reinforces for me that addiction is a human problem not a problem with technology

I know dang basically works tirelessly to not change the format in order to not induce those addictive patterns

but yet here we all are

It's a website with the smartest people in the world. The level of conversations here are unrivaled in internet communities.

It's understandable to be addicted. Lol.

I visit this place multiple times a day.

99% of social science or political topics and 50% of technical topics here do not… read as smart, and you’d be much better off spending the same time reading the first chapter of a relevant 101-level college textbook.
It's entirely possible that this is the smartest place on the internet, but also often dumb. In fact, it seems likely. More of an indictment of the rest of the places on the internet.
> It's entirely possible that this is the smartest place on the internet,

i cant find the link, but there was a post about how to "be nice" and it was a revelation to a worrying amount of "geniuses" on here. bare in mind the sum total of the advice was "be nice, dont be rude"

1. niceness and genius are orthogonal

2. your characterization of the article sounds uncharitable

3. my point isn't exactly that this is necessarily the smartest place

Intelligence has many dimensions.
> It's entirely possible that this is the smartest place on the internet, but also often dumb. In fact, it seems likely. More of an indictment of the rest of the places on the internet.

Almost every (non-troll) online community that is relatively peaceful and has some semblance of moderation to remove flamewars thinks of itself as "the best community". Usually as compared to reddit, though if it's on reddit they will compare themselves to some other (hated) sub.

It's a fact of the internet. Every online community thinks of itself as the smartest, more thoughtful, more civilized. HN is no exception.

It goes without saying HN is not the smartest or more thoughtful online community. It's just... ok. Not the worst, not the best. Certainly NOT the place with the smartest people, though some smart people frequent it. As a regular, you can soon figure out HN's unspoken rules, blindspots, and areas where the group opinion is more likely to be accurate.

> It goes without saying HN is not the smartest or more thoughtful online community.

How does that go without saying? Name some others then, compare and contrast. As-is your argument is just posturing.

It's really not 'the smartest people.' It's people interested in tech, and often in making-a-lot-of-money-in-tech. It does have a lot of people with significant industry experience, which is cool.
> It's really not 'the smartest people.'

This was especially obvious during Covid, I even stopped visiting because the comment section was so crazy.

> the smartest people in the world

But also, people like me. Be careful what you choose to believe on this website

> It's a website with the smartest people in the world.

Nice joke!

At least, I hope it was a joke...

Any professional forum or technical subreddit with good moderation and gatekeeping blows Hacker News out of the water any day of the week.
Also the level of flak is unrivaled.
Poe's Law for a parody of the self-important sv techbro
It's a testament to Poe's Law that I genuinely cannot tell if the OP was being funny or not.
There's a reason why HN of all places has such a terrible record of handling actual sarcasm and telling it apart from genuine belief and that reason is NOT that "HN is really smart" lol
Agreed! I think HN is average, and its userbase think themselves smarter than they really are.

... but I still cannot tell if the original commenter was sarcastic or not! ;)

This one is at least healthy-ish for the mind. I’d much rather hacker news than any other news. Social Media is an emotional rage-bait cesspool these days. If it’s not for Hacker News those of us who abstain from the rest would be living in the dark.
But, would the addiction become worse if HN changed, or would there be a point where they could cure it?
Perhaps this is the role of HN - at least it still allows us to reflect.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. If I type 'n' into any browser it autocompletes to HN.
Save typing hundreds of letters per day, and replace about:newtab with news.ycombinator.com, now you can just do CTRL+T :)
at that moment my productivity would drop to zero
mine already has and I dont even have hackernews as my new tab :)

On all fairness though, mine is same for the original comment where just pressing n autocompletes it to https://news.ycombinator.com/

I had the same thing for Slashdot.org for many, many years. Both the reflex and the browser autocomplete. I still miss the old /. It was like HN + Hackaday + Usenet.
digg too, till they ruined it...still can't believe they ruined digg.
If you're looking to put the brakes on that, I've used LeechBlock to add a 5-second timer to opening a new HN window (along with other block schedules). The timer even fails if it loses focus, so it really helps slow you down.

https://www.proginosko.com/leechblock/

    echo '127.0.0.1 news.ycombinator.com' | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts
Does the trick as well :) For bonus points (and so you can't workaround it with your phone), do it on your router/switch instead.

You'll still open new tabs and go to HN, but you'll be reminded quickly, and every day can be downtime day \o/ (for you, personally)

I've made https://deja.de.hueve.ar/hn so it snapshots the frontpage once per day - that way, I now there won't be new updates during the rest of the day, and the dopamine addiction goes down.
so youve got the willpower to do something about it but not enough to just stop doing it?
To be fair, making a change (particularly changing a habit) takes time. Having something there to remind and nudge you helps make this easier, especially when you're tired, stressed, 'just looking for a short break', etc, etc.

It's like they say: "Your demons will comfort you when no one else will. That's why it's so hard to get rid of them"

Yes.
Have you never suffered from habitual reflexes? I blocked twitter for a while in my hosts file and a dozen times over those first few days I instinctively opened a new tab and typed twitter in
I deleted the YouTube mobile app a few months ago and I still reflexively reach for the app icon every now and then. Thanks YouTube Shorts.
> I blocked twitter for a while in my hosts file and a dozen times over those first few days I instinctively opened a new tab and typed twitter in?

youd go through that effort when you could have just stopped though.

We all admire your absolute mastery of your own habitual reflexes and mind. For the rest of us, there is a daily battle of wits, desires, weakness, and habit.

If I could snap my fingers and break toxic habits and patterns, I would have done so decades ago :)

I say. Vibe coded 4 apps once I got past that, on my way to half a billion in ARR already.
I’ve turned on no procrast mode and set it to ten minutes per hour. Helped me a lot!
What are you using to control this?
It is on your profile, the “noprocrast” dropdown.
It's a setting available on the page you get from clicking on your own username.
Whoa. A website that cares about its users enough to _easily support limiting access to itself_?

That's so refreshing in terms of being a user-focused feature, and yet it stands in sharp contrast against today's engagement-hyperfocused climate. I never would have thought to look on a website's own settings page to limit my access to that same website.

I love it, thank you for pointing me to this!

Same! Right there with "every day must begin with coffee"
⌘-T, N, <RET>

Did it like 5 times during that 1h-ish outage. :(

There is a noprocrast feature in your settings to specify how long you can stay on for a single session and the frequency at which you can view HN. Super helpful!
So do I, but it was such a shock that I just passed out, and when I woke up, it was back up.
Admirable~
> TIL I have a "open Hacker News" hand reflex

You mean it's not your homepage?

I stopped using google.com for Internet access check, I now use HN.
Do you log into things and reflexively type "ls", too?
I did not know how addicted I was to HN until today lol
What? You mean you ... close the HN tab?
I already knew that. :)