[kstenerud]

There's a lot of editorializing going on. Now that the title has been restored, hopefully things calm down a bit.

Ultimately, Tesla has two problems going on here:

1. Their crash rate is 2x that of Waymo.

2. They redact a lot of key information, which complicates safety assessments of their fleet.

The redactions actually hurt Tesla, because the nature of each road incident really matters: EVERY traffic incident must be reported, regardless of fault (even if it's a speeding car from the other direction that hits another vehicle which then hits the robotaxi - yes, that's actually in one of the Waymo NHTSA incident reports). When Tesla redacts the way they've been doing, it makes it very difficult to do studies like https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15389588.2025.2... which show how much safer Waymo vehicles are compared to humans WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL DAMAGE DONE.

We can't get that quality of info from Tesla due to their redaction practices. All we can reliably glean is that Tesla vehicles are involved in 2x the incidents per mile compared to Waymo. https://ilovetesla.com/teslas-robotaxi-dilemma-navigating-cr...

[mmooss]

The redactions also indicate they are hiding something and deprioritize safety below (whatever they are hiding). That is, it makes Tesla not trustworthy with something that risks life and limb.

[orwin]

If you only count robotaxis and not all Tesla, isn't the crash rate 20X per driven mile? I remember doing the math a few months ago and finding 20, but I might be mistaken.