[93po]

Electrek notoriously lies and fibs and stretches the truth to hate on Tesla and Elon as much as possible when it serves their own best interests.

This one is misleading both in that 8 "crashes" is statistically insignificant to draw conclusions as to its safety compared to humans, but also because these 'crashes' are not actually crashes and instead a variety of things, including hitting a wild animal of unknown size or potentially minor contact with other objects of unspecified impact strength.

They make other unsubstantiated and likely just wrong claims:

> The most critical detail that gets lost in the noise is that these crashes are happening with a human safety supervisor in the driver’s seat (for highway trips) or passenger seat, with a finger on a kill switch.

The robotaxi supervisors are overwhelmingly only the passenger seat - I've never actually seen any video footage of them in the driver seat, and Electrek assuredly has zero evidence of how many of the reported incidents involved someone in the driver seat. Additionally, these supervisors in the passenger seat are not instructed to prevent every single incident (they arent going to emergency brake for a squirrel) and to characterize them as "babysitting to prevent accidents" is just wrong.

This article is full of other glaring problems and lies and mistruths but it's genuinely not worth the effort to write 5 pages on it.

If you want some insight on why Fed Lambert might be doing this, look no further than the bottom of the page: Fred gives (sells?) "investment tips" which, you guessed it, are perpetually trying to convince people to sell and short Telsa: https://x.com/FredLambert/status/1831731982868369419

Feel free to look at his other posts: it's 95% trying to convince people that Telsa is going bankrupt tomorrow, and trying to slam Elon as much as possible - sometimes for good reasons (transphobia) but sometimes in ways that really harms his credibility, if he actually had any

Lambert has also been accused of astrotrufing in lawsuits, and had to go through a settlement that required him to retract all the libel he had spread: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/21838/the-truth-behind-electre...

That same source also touches on Fred and Seth's long history of swinging either side of the bandwagon in attempts to maximize personal gain off bullshit reporting. And basically being a massive joke in automotive reporting.

The owner of Eletrek, Seth Weintraub, also notably does the same thing: https://x.com/llsethj/status/1217198837212884993

[Mawr]

Tesla is free to provide information that debunks these claims. They're the ones who redacted the details of the incidents in the first place.

[93po]

This is the state of accepted journalism now? Fabricate ridiculous claims and then make the target of your hit piece responsible for refuting it?

[Veserv]

Wait, are you talking about Tesla? Since they are the ones who fabricated ridiculous claims like old versions of FSD using old hardware on arbitrary roads using untrained customers as safety drivers average ~5 million miles per collision and are thus ~2-7x safer than human drivers. Given that they present no credible, auditable evidence for that claim following your logic it should be unnecessary for anybody to refute their ridiculous claim and their systems can not be demonstrated to be safe despite billions of miles.

Despite that, the article and the public (the target of the hit piece that encourages people to endanger themselves with a system that has not been demonstrated to be safe with the direct intent of enriching the owners of Tesla) directly refute Tesla's ridiculous claims demonstrating they are off by multiple orders of magnitude using basic mandatory data reporting for their Robotaxi program which is using systems more advanced, fine-tuned, geofenced, with professional safety drivers (thus we can only reasonably assume that their normal system is worse), but which actually has scrutinized reporting requirements.

And yet now you argue that the entity fabricating ridiculous claims for their own enrichment, Tesla, is not only not responsible, but target of the hit piece, the ones that clearly and debunked Tesla's claims as deceptive, are not only responsible for refuting it but are responsible for demonstrating a level of rigor that is unimpeachable when the original fabricated claim lacks even the elements of rigor we expect out of your average middle school science fair, let alone a literal trillion dollar company.

Talk about double standards.

[smoovb]

So Seth Weintraub sold $TSLA at $35 a share in Jan 2020. Today $467. Then Seth missed out on gains of 1,200%. And Fred selling in Sep, 2024 missed out on 100% gains.