[irjustin]

> They seem smart, but they are not; they are really just good at appearing to be smart

There are too many different ways to measure intelligence.

Speed, matching, discovery, memory, etc.

We can combine those levers infinitely create/justify "smart". Are they dumb? Absolutely, but are they smart? Very much so. You can be both at the same time.

Maybe you meant genius? Because that standard is quite high and there's no way they're genius today.

[alpha_squared]

They're neither smart nor dumb and I think that trying to measure them along that scale is a fool's errand. They're combinatorial regurgitation machines. The fact that we keep pointing to that as an approximation of intelligence says more about us than it, namely that we don't understand intelligence and that we look for ourselves in other things to define intelligence. This is why when experts use these things within their domain of expertise they're underwhelmed, but when used outside of those domains they become halfway useful.

Trying to create new terminology ("genius", "superintelligence", etc.) seems to only shift goal posts and define new ways of approximation.

Personally, I'll believe a system is intelligent when it presents something novel and new and challenges our understanding of the world as we know it (not as I personally do because I don't have the corpus of the internet in my head).

[themafia]

> You can be both at the same time.

Smart and dumb are opposites. So this seems dubious. You can have access to a large base of trivial knowledge (mostly in a single language), as LLMs do, but have absolutely no intelligence, as LLMs demonstrate.

You can be dumb yet good at Jeopardy. This is no dichotomy.

[captain_coffee]

> Are they dumb? Absolutely, but are they smart? Very much so. You can be both at the same time.

This has to be bait