[kotaKat]

Quiet red areas rolling over to Flock are what’s going to cause us all to lose in the end.

Another quiet little village in rural New York just signed on for 11 cameras, and it sounds like the county itself (2800 square miles(!)) is also playing around with them. The locals won’t raise the hard hitting questions - they’ll just roll over with the bullshit answers from Flock reps.

https://northcountrynow.com/stories/village-of-massena-enter...

[tptacek]

Forget "quiet red areas". Every suburb surrounding mine, in Chicagoland(!), has expanded their use of ALPR cameras. People want them, not just in red areas.

[baggy_trough]

Blue areas have often failed to do a good job suppressing crime (e.g. California), so people seek alternatives.

[tptacek]

I have my complaints about this, but "blue areas" over the last several decades have meant "all major metros", and some forms of crime are just endemic to density, and in some sense all crime simply tracks population.

But we don't have to agree on that; people everywhere care about crime, and the promises ALPR vendors make, while arguable, are not ludicrous.

[baggy_trough]

In my area, for example, there are counties where if a thief can escape there, they will not be prosecuted. So I support Flock since it gives a higher chance of interception in my county, which will prosecute them.

[tptacek]

What we found is that the cameras mostly had us enforcing failure-to-appear warrants for neighboring municipalities, which was not an in-kind contribution we wanted to make to those munis, and so we didn't get much value from the cameras, which is a big part of why we shut them off.

[topspin]

> Quiet red areas rolling over to Flock

What is funding all those Flock reps jetting around BFE to dazzle and kickback the boomer city managers and county commissioners of deep red littleville America? Is it the 2 cameras in Big Rapids MI or the 2425[1] cameras in Detroit metro?

The "roll over" that mattered has already been secured.

[1] https://deflock.me

[infecto]

Do flock reps even need to fly out? They have massive contracts with the Walmarts of the world and the underlying commercial property owners. You don’t need to have a rep when it’s already in your area.