[useumix]

Directly taxing AI is very hard. Imagine if a company had to pay taxes for every AI agent operating in the U.S. or the E.U. As if they were regular employees. Big corporations would simply move the AI agents to countries without taxes.

[sigmoid10]

It's actually trivial. AI apis are pretty streamlined by now. Just slap a tax on processed tokens and you're guaranteed to reach every AI agent out there. It already happens everywhere with sales tax for normal products. Just treat tokens as the product and create an extra tax for it.

[integralid]

I don't think you responded to the main concern.

Let's say EU and US taxes AI tokens. India doesn't, so almost all prompting done by international companies now is outsourced to India, and still not taxed.

Or do you tax AI companies and tax tokens "at source"? Then, obviously, they either lose competition with foreign (let's say Chinese) companies that do the same but are not taxed, or more likely all AI companies move out of EU and US.

[scotty79]

You could tax the energy and subsidize it for individuals. It's the ultimate resource that all business uses. But that would mean unscrupulous countries could tax their energy less and attract AI farms. So probably you need to tax imported tokens (and other goods) as well. There could be many benefits of taxing grid energy instead of labor.

[sigmoid10]

This is how sales tax already works. If you sell something to another country that has sales tax, you need to pay it irrespective of where you produced it.

[katsura]

How will that work with local/offline agents? They are getting better and better.

[marcyb5st]

Audits? Like it happens with licensed software. The issue is that if any country won't play ball with either not adding the taxes or by closing an eye, everyone is gonna put their datacentes there and become un-auditable.

I guess the other countries can slap sanctions on them, but the people benefitting won't care really.

[refurb]

Ohhh! Just imagine all the new IRS jobs and government powers that would be created!

[refurb]

Not only that, do you tax AI that doesn’t replace humans? How can you tell? Do you tax differently depending on how many workers it replaces? How do you measure that? Do you create exemptions for non-profit or humanitarian use? How do you measure that?

I can only image the Kafkaesque tax code the government would come up with. Then it would create all sorts of weird incentives as companies attempt to minimize tax paid.

[tempfile]

Don't people give pretty much exactly this argument about all taxes?

[integralid]

Isn't this exactly what happens? There's a reason why most bigtech companies operating in EU are based on Ireland.

This is not a reason to stop taxing (i agree with most here that taxes should be higher), but to design taxes that can't be circumvented easily.