| > doesn't claim to have been there when it was implemented "After 9/11, they took one of the programs I had done, or the backend part of it, and started to use it to spy on everybody in this country. That was a program I created called Stellar Wind. That was seperate and compartmented from the regular activity which was ongoing because it was doing domestic spying. All the equipment was coming in, I knew something was happening but then when the contractors I had hired came and told me what they were doing, it was clear where all the hardware was going and what they were using it to do. It was simply a different input, instead of being foreign it was domestic." - William Binney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=590cy1biewc > The EFF doesn't claim anything like what you're claiming. 2. This case challenges an illegal and unconstitutional program of dragnet
communications surveillance conducted by the National Security Agency (the “NSA”) and other
Defendants in concert with major telecommunications companies (“Defendants” is defined
collectively as the named defendants and the Doe defendants as set forth in paragraphs 25 through
38 below). 3. This program of dragnet surveillance (the “Program”), first authorized by Executive
Order of the President in October of 2001 (the “Program Order”) and first revealed to the public in
December of 2005, continues to this day. 4. Some aspects of the Program were publicly acknowledged by the President in
December 2005 and later described as the “terrorist surveillance program” (“TSP”). 5. The President and other executive officials have described theTSP’s activities, which
were conducted outside the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”) and
without authorization by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (“FISC”), as narrowly targeting
for interception the international communications of persons linked to Al Qaeda. 6. The Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence have since publicly
admitted that the TSP was only one particular aspect of the surveillance activities authorized by the
Program Order. 7. In addition to eavesdropping on or reading specific communications, Defendants
have indiscriminately intercepted the communications content and obtained the communications
records of millions of ordinary Americans as part of the Program authorized by the President. 8. The core component of the Program is Defendants’ nationwide network of
sophisticated communications surveillance devices, attached to the key facilities of
telecommunications companies such as AT&T that carry Americans’ Internet and telephone
communications. 9. Using this shadow network of surveillance devices, Defendants have acquired and
continue to acquire the content of a significant portion of the phone calls, emails, instant messages,
text messages, web communications and other communications, both international and domestic,
of practically every American who uses the phone system or the Internet, including Plaintiffs and
class members, in an unprecedented suspicionless general search through the nation’s
communications networks. 10. In addition to using surveillance devices to acquire the domestic and international
communications content of millions of ordinary Americans, Defendants have unlawfully solicited
and obtained from telecommunications companies such as AT&T the complete and ongoing
disclosure of the private telephone and Internet transactional records of those companies’ millions
of customers (including communications records pertaining to Plaintiffs and class members),
communications records indicating who the customers communicated with, when and for how long,
among other sensitive information. 11. This non-content transactional information is analyzed by computers in conjunction
with the vast quantity of communications content acquired by Defendants’ network of surveillance
devices, in order to select which communications are subjected to personal analysis by staff of the
NSA and other Defendants, in what has been described as a vast “data-mining” operation. 12. Plaintiffs and class members are ordinary Americans who are current or former
subscribers to AT&T’s telephone and/or Internet services. 13. Communications of Plaintiffs and class members have been and continue to be
illegally acquired by Defendants using surveillance devices attached to AT&T’s network, and
Defendants have illegally solicited and obtained from AT&T the continuing disclosure of private
communications records pertaining to Plaintiffs and class members. Plaintiffs’ communications or
activities have been and continue to be subject to electronic surveillance. 14. Plaintiffs are suing Defendants to enjoin their unlawful acquisition of the
communications and records of Plaintiffs and class members, to require the inventory and
destruction of those that have already been seized, and to obtain appropriate statutory, actual, and
punitive damages to deter future illegal surveillance. https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/jewel/jewel.complaint.pdf |
In other words, he didn't know where it was going and speculated. No such program existed in Snowden's leaks, and no member of the SSCI or HPSCI believes Binney's wild hypothesis, or it would be the first thing they investigated.
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I very clearly stated the EFF doesn't (present tense) claim what you're claiming. The EFF saw the Narus analyzers in 641A and assumed the worst, which is in those old claims you pasted, and the judge said that the plaintiffs didn't have evidence to show that their data was collected, which would be the case if it were really mass domestic surveillance. Then Snowden's documents were released, conclusively showing the devices weren't used for domestic surveillance, which is why the EFF didn't bring that lawsuit again claiming standing. Snowden's docs proved they didn't have it.