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by windexh8er 185 days ago
No.

But, at least with Google you can use hardware without the binding software requirement. You can use an Android device with GrapheneOS and have the phone entirely de-Googled, yet still use Android apps.

If the implication was that there's no other option outside of Apple and Google then that is unfortunate.
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QuiEgo 184 days ago
Does your bank let you use such a device? Does any big bank where you live?

If I want to participate it modern life, where I live, I need an Android (Google blessed) or Apple device.

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greentea23 184 days ago
The bank thing is a much rarer problem than people make it out to be. We should challenge and boycott any problematic banks as much as we can https://community.e.foundation/t/list-banking-apps-on-e-os/3...
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philistine 184 days ago
Ok so now we’re not only boycotting Apple, we’re boycotting banks as well! Seriously, Apple can and should fix this issue without having to retort to misery for everyone.

Apple could release a statement reassuring people that no one will be locked out of their account for redeeming any gift card going forward. We have collectively forgotten that companies have stopped talking this way. That’s what we need to change.

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greentea23 183 days ago
I mean, yes, absolutely. I don't have a count limit on my boycott list. I won't be holding my breath for empty promises from corporate. We need to build systems that assert user sovereignty and prevent abuse, not wait around for evil people to do good things.
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windexh8er 180 days ago
My bank does let me use such a device. In fact all big banks I use (and I use about a half dozen) work just fine on GrapheneOS.

> If I want to participate it modern life, where I live, I need an Android (Google blessed) or Apple device.

"Modern life..." - wow. The only thing I'm not doing that you are is tap to pay with your phone. I have cards that work just fine for this use case. Stone age, right? Not sure if anyone could survive in a modern society without it. o_O

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ptidhomme 180 days ago
Tbf banks are truly driving the coercion. My banks used to have functional apps on bare GrapheneOS, but nowadays they won't launch without Play Services (to wich I can deny network access, pretty neat of GrapheneOS). Plus my main bank now requires the app even for web access. Nightmarish.
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Nevermark 184 days ago
> But, at least with Google you can use hardware without the binding software requirement.

For now, but they are tightening things up.

And at least with Apple they provide convenient end-to-end cloud syncing. Google doesn't.

(And this back and forth can go on for a long time...)

You are just picking what is important to you and then ignoring other issues. That isn't how to craft advice that helps people you don't personally know, with needs you are completely unaware of, in a complex domain.

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windexh8er 180 days ago
> And at least with Apple they provide convenient end-to-end cloud syncing. Google doesn't.

What?

In fact you have more (and better) options on an Android based device.

> That isn't how to craft advice that helps people you don't personally know, with needs you are completely unaware of, in a complex domain.

Cool story. But it's OK for you to craft advice on a topic you're not well versed in (cloud sync)? Seems like you're ignoring some issues and misunderstanding needs that you're completely unaware of in a pretty straightforward domain.

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