[yieldcrv]

my comment about apprenticeships was modeled on Germany's system too

I agree that the industry is misguided, but academia knew what it was gatekeeping and that their admitted population was not there for research, but for the industry

[em-bee]

that's true, but it's not reasonable to expect them to change that. we need academia for research. i don't want universities to change. if people don't want research then we should build other institutions for that.