[michaelmrose]

How do they work find and keep a job keep up with their kids school and keep government benefits.

It doesn't matter that you could do those things before the internet the normal and often only or only practical flow involves the net.

Counter offer we keep letting people manage their own kids' shit and they can control access to the degree they deem appropriate

[bennyp101]

Whilst I do kinda agree, I was just replying to the parent about what the punishment would probably be :)

But the problem is that people are NOT managing their own kids' shit, and now we have to have things put in place to try and counter that - and end up overreaching.

I'm more than happy to educate mine on how to be safe online, and to come and talk to us about stuff, other aren't, or are not aware they need to.

Perhaps buying internet means you have to sign a waiver saying that if anything happens because of the internet then that is on the parent(s)...

[hellojesus]

Consider a parent that uses mac address filtering to block access. Easy to implement on routers.

What happens when the parent goes to bed and the kid hard resets the router? Or the parent goes to bed and the kid spoofs the mac of the parent's device?

It's a good outcome! Let the cat and mouse games begin, and the youth will be more tech literate than ever. But I think punishing the parents is a bit much.

It'll probably eventually be like how modern folks treat play dates when they ask the counterparty if there are guns in their house and whether they're locked, etc. but with the internet: Do you have a central device management system with proper safeguards, logging, and ml running for anomaly detection on your network? Do you dpi? How do you prevent your kids from evil maiding you? Is your personal computer locked in a cage, and do you check all your paraphernalia for keyloggers, etc. before booting?

[michaelmrose]

Such a waiver would be equally insane given the fraud and malfeasance that goes on every day it would be like signing a waiver saying whatever happens in the world is your fault for a drivers licence.

Instead how about we simply continue to make reasonable laws regarding behaviour and holding individual people and companies responsible when they violate the law.

Whilst we are at it we can keep content filtering for pre teens and imposed by parents and accept that teens are going to figure out how to get to the real internet at some point.