[arraypad]

In France, fish isn't usually considered "meat" (viande).

In my child's school, there are only three dietary choices for the kids who eat at the canteen:

* No pork / sans porc (for the muslim or jewish children)

* No meat / sans viande (but there's still fish!)

* Everything

[raddan]

Becoming vegetarian caused my French-Canadian grandmother some dismay. She asked me what I wanted for dinner. I said "no meat" and she replied "ok, we'll eat chicken." I was like, "oh, uh, no animals" and she said "fine, we'll have fish." I finally had to say "ONLY VEGETABLES." Her response was "don't you feel weak all the time?"

[aziaziazi]

Once I brought my favorite tofu to my grandmother so she can try it. She reacted with "I'm against tofu". She's agains basically anything culturally imported after here birth, no problems with potatoes, tomatoes and corn indeed.

[seec]

Most people who do not have the ideological inclination are against tofu. Not because it is imported or anything, but because it doesn't taste good and has a terrible texture. Even the people who originally ate it in Asia are switching up to more meat as they become richer.

I have vegan/vegetarian friends, one of whom is a chef and worked at a pretty good vegan restaurant, and not once have I eaten tofu that I would like to eat again. It's just bad, but it's one of the cheapest and most convenient ways to get your proteins on a vegan diet, so that's that.

[tpoacher]

As a non-vegetarian, I have eaten very bland tofu, and I have eaten really excellent tofu.

I think the big thing about tofu is that it takes a lot of effort to make it of the excellent kind, so very often you end up with the bland one.

[seec]

I have had silken tofu that was pretty decent. But I would only eat it if there was no other option. The vegan restaurant I talked about had an excellent bean/chickpea-based burger that was actually wonderful. That I would like to eat, no question about it. But it was insanely expensive because it took so much effort and so many ingredients/processes (they showed me the recipe; it's crazy how long that took). In the end, my pleasure from eating that isn't superior to a regular, much cheaper burger. Which is why it always ends up in a precarious moral argument.

As far as I'm concerned, veganism is an ideology for the affluent that allows them to express their perceived superiority, moral or otherwise.

[aziaziazi]

This is weird, most vegan I know spend less than with meat : beans, peas and lentils are bargain and tofu as well. Even local-organic quinoa is the about the same price as the cheapest chicken once watered. Of course there’s fancy expensive restaurants with a different price/taste ratio but that’s not specific to plant based food.

[ddrdrck_]

If you eat only vegetables then you are vegan, not vegetarian.

[raddan]

In the Venn diagram of eating, vegans are a subset of vegetarians.

[master-lincoln]

But the film mentioned "if you didn't you eat everyone", it wasn't talking about meat.

[wongarsu]

"Everyone" can reasonably be understood to only apply to "people/animals like those present here"

If we're pedantic on the phrasing, the wolf could have already satisfied the demand by keeping a meat-based diet that simply excluded hedgehogs. Then he wouldn't eat everyone, just those who aren't a hedgehog. But the spirit of the complaint was clearly "everyone here is running away because they are personally afraid of being eaten". Which only included mammals and maybe some birds

[iknowstuff]

Well, France is just incorrect on that one.

[gitaarik]

Jezus also ate fish

[aziaziazi]

Theres a fascinating recent (free) movie that develop the theory of Jesus avoiding eating other animals. Theology is a very special discipline that embrace all at once history, human psychology and strong lobbies. Not easy to propose alternative lectures of the bible but I think this one have a great point.

https://christspiracy.com/

[iknowstuff]

I don’t know her

[wongarsu]

Jesus also ate lamb as part of observing Passover

[OrangeMusic]

And?