[bigB]

How long will it take them to ban communications ?

A big reason they are pushing this is Cyberbullying....yet a recent death in the news this week, the kid was literally bullied/sextorted via SMS....not social media.

Without banning SMS and possibly calls as well, it debunks this argument

[fugalfervor]

That's the slippery slope fallacy. You assert that communications will be banned as a consequence of this, but provide no evidence that this will cause the banning of all communications.

[Extropy_]

The assertion is not that something will inevitably happen because of this other than the further normalization of government authority over individual autonomy. That is an inherent result of this, as well as the prohibition of sale of alcohol and drugs to kids. You can argue on and on whether or not these are good, righteous, moral laws, but you cannot deny the intrinsic fact that widespread acceptance and even support of widening the scope of government control normalizes government control

[fugalfervor]

Government control is the only way to address corporate abuse, because they are the only body that have both enough power (to restrain corporations) and the possibility of being influenced by voters. Too much government control and you have a problem. Too little and you have no safeguard against bad actors.

[mlrtime]

Government already had the control. It's enforcing the will of the people, and the parents DO want this. So I don't see the issue.

[bigB]

Not sure who you have spoken to, but I don't know one single parent who wanted this. In fact most of them have said they will assist their kids to bypass it.

[re-thc]

> How long will it take them to ban communications ?

Just ban Australia themselves.

> A big reason they are pushing this is Cyberbullying

Oh really now? It has been going on for so many years... A big reason they've been pushing this is it impacts their own pockets i.e. the traditional media companies.

[bigB]

Well I should have worded it "A big reason the say they are banning it is Cyberbullying" , I don't believe that at all, but you are 100% correct, they hate big tech as it always beats our corrupt, biased and inept traditional media.

[Swenrekcah]

Bullying is not new and was performed via sms before the internet. Social media however allows for easier targeting especially for bad actors that are not in the kid’s friend/acquaintance group.

[iamacyborg]

> Bullying is not new and was performed via sms before the internet.

Pretty sure the internet was a thing well before kids got dumb phones.

[SecretDreams]

> Pretty sure the internet was a thing well before kids got dumb phones.

The internet has evolved meaningfully over the last 10 years, even. Evolved might be generous, though.

[iamacyborg]

Yeah, myspace was already dead and buried 10 years ago and we’d all stopped using msn/aim and moved to other platforms by that point

[Swenrekcah]

That is true. The ubiquitous mobile internet and social media I should have said.

[petsfed]

I remember when a bully would have to go up to you themselves to mete out whatever harassment, and you could avoid a lot of it by just being aware and avoiding that particular person.

Juxtapose that with today, where any one bully can create dozens of accounts to bully in a swarm, and the bully has constant access to you from your own pocket. Also, a person in Minsk or Timbuktu or whatever couldn't just come up to your house in the middle of the night to harass you out of boredom.

This "we could do X before computers, why are we trying to ban X-with-computers now?" line of arguments is just intellectually lazy. If a bad behavior was well moderated in the past because it was labor or resource intensive, the sudden removal of those constraints is a material change that demands revisiting. Put another way, if a constraint stops working, we should change constraints, not just do the old constraint with a confused expression on our faces.

[heavyset_go]

You can do all of this with SMS.

Kids know how to download or use free texting apps and sites, giving them access to potentially thousands of different numbers from which they can engage in harassment campaigns. In fact, it's an incredibly common tactic.

Similarly, someone from Minsk and Timbuktu can do the same thing, they have access to the same tools.

[petsfed]

My point was not "oh, social media bullying is some kind of special case compared to other ways kids today bully their peers". My point was "modern bullying is different from historic bullying, and dismissing modern bullying as the same as historic bullying is intellectually lazy"

[zikduruqe]

> Bullying is not new and was performed via sms before the internet

I seem to remember real bullies would do it to your face before the internet. Not just anyone behind a keyboard.

[arrozconcosas]

Funny enough, adults are also prone to bullying in large groups online. This does not go away later in life.

[Swenrekcah]

That is true and we have certainly seen our fair share of that.

Adults are however also better equipped to deal with that, especially if they have not been subjected to such abuse as children. It is worth noting that online bullying is however not the most serious matter here, rather (in my mind at least) it is the systematic targeting of kids/teenagers to get inside their head and get them to perform violent acts against themselves or others around them.

[immibis]

This appears to be a slippery slope argument: if they ban specific algorithmic social media platforms that have a verified extremely negative effect on children, soon they'll ban all communications.

It could happen that they ban all communications, but if you think so, it needs its own argument; it can't hang off the social media ban. Otherwise it is like saying that if they ban children from drinking beer, soon they'll ban them from drinking liquids.

[testing22321]

> How long will it take them to ban communications?

Following your reasoning:

Alcohol is banned for children. How long until they ban all drinks?

Driving is banned for children. How long until they ban all self-directed transport?

Voting is banned for children. How long until they pan all political opinion?

No. Just no.