[quelsolaar]

This, "If you have enough, why does it matter if someone else has more" argument doesn't really hold. Yes we can make more TVs and phones so that everyone can get one, but then get to things like centrally located housing, where there is a limited supply. It matters a lot if you want someplace to live, and there are thousands of very rich people trying to out bid one and other for the same space in your city. This is why housing is no longer affordable.

[bdangubic]

not that I disagree with you in principle but it is a bad example. there are a lot more places where rich do not want to live than places where they do so rich outbidding you for housing wouldn't make even a top-100 list of issues. the "If you have enough, why does it matter if someone else has more" is basically "rich get to live in Monaco, you get to live in Elmo, Kansas" with all your needs met

[TFYS]

A good location means more opportunities. Someone located in the center of a large expensive city will have a lot more opportunities to make money and meet people who have influence than someone in Elmo. A business set up in Elmo will not make as much money as a business set up in Monaco. This means that the best opportunities are reserved for people who need them the least.

[robocat]

Almost by definition it isn't the rich competing to live where work opportunities are.

Monaco isn't renowned for its businesses.

But yes, there is an issue with the rich investing in residential property (which good regulations could address).

[bdangubic]

> This means that the best opportunities are reserved for people who need them the least.

I am not "arguing" this - that would be silly. This was OP comment:

> This, "If you have enough, why does it matter if someone else has more" argument doesn't really hold.

it does hold water. you can work and live in Elmo and have all your needs met while the rich&famous are chillin on a yacht in Nice

[_DeadFred_]

San Francisco was the cheap to live city that allowed poor, non-monetary obsessed youth to move there and live a hippie lifestyle.

Silicon valley was backward cheap farmland that allowed students in the nearby universities to stay in an area with their college friends and start their business ideas instead of moving back home.

Anywhere there is excess energy/synergy the rich move in and try to capture it, sucking it out. You need places where society can grow, where excess energy is allowed to create excitement/progress/try new things.