[ajross]

> driving is getting more dangerous year by year

Not over the long term, no. There may have been a recent uptick in the post-pandemic US but it's mostly just noise. Fatalities per mile driven have been going down markedly in recent decades. Driving was twice as dangerous in the 80's as it is now.

[hamdingers]

You are incorrect. Fatalities in the US leveled out in the early 2010s and have been climbing since then. In all other developed nations they continued trending downwards.

This is not a statistical anomaly that can be handwaved by pointing out that things were worse 40 years ago. Roads in the US are uniquely lethal and getting moreso.

[ajross]

> You are incorrect

Sigh. I hate that phrasing. But OK, fine: you are misreading me, misanalysing the data, or just plain spinning to mislead readers.

Fatalities per capita and per mile driven go steadily downward until covid, and maybe there's a bump after that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in... If you have numbers (you don't cite any) showing otherwise, they are being polluted by demographic trends (the US having higher population growth doesn't say anything about driver behavior).

> Roads in the US are uniquely lethal and getting moreso.

So spinning it is. Would you rather drive in Germany in 2002 or the US in 2025? Seems like "uniquely lethal" doesn't really constitute a good faith representation of the truth.

[selectodude]

According to the link that you posted, the roads in Germany in 2002 were quite a bit safer than the roads are in the USA in 2025. And they don’t have speed limits. Absolute no brainer to me.

Anyway, not to pile on but you are absolutely incorrect. Forgive the phrasing.

[shiroiuma]

German roads absolutely do have speed limits. Only certain rural sections of the Autobahn don't, but that's not representative of the country as a whole, or even the Autobahn as a whole.

[selectodude]

In 2002, significant portions of the Autobahn were unlimited. That's changed in the past 25 years, of course.

[hamdingers]

Did you open the wikipedia article you linked? The first image contradicts you, see the caption:

> Per capita road accident deaths in the US reversed their decline in the early 2010s.

Amusing that you accuse me of bad faith framing and then pose a nonsense question like this:

> Would you rather drive in Germany in 2002 or the US in 2025?

I cannot time travel and neither can you. The comparison that matters is US in 2025 vs other developed nations in 2025, and with that framing the US is uniquely lethal.

Of course, a good faith reader of my comment would understand this, but we already know that's not you since you did the research and have decided to be wrong anyway.

[standardUser]

That's thanks entirely to government-required safety features, not skilled drivers.

[youngNed]

There is picture of a cyclist. He is holding a stick.

The cyclist puts the stick between his spokes.

The cyclist lies on the road, cursing the government, for causing this.