[giancarlostoro]

I have done both strict back-end, strict front-end, full stack, QA automation and some devops as well, I worked in an all Linux shop where we were encouraged by great senior devs to always strive for better software all around. I think you're right, it mostly depends on your mindset and how much you expose yourself to the craft. I can tackle obscure front-end things sometimes better than back-end issues despite hating front-end but knowing enough to be dangerous. (My first job in tech really had me doing everything imaginable)

I find the LLMs boost my productivity because I've always had a sort of architectural mindset, I love looking up projects that solve specific problems and keeping them on the back of my mind, turns out I was building myself up for instructing LLMs on how to build me software, and it takes several months worth of effort and spits it out in a few hours.

Speaking of vibe coding in archaic languages, I'm using LLMs to understand old Shockwave Lingo to translate it to a more modern language, so I can rebuild a legacy game in a modern language. Maybe once I spin up my blog again I'll start documenting that fun journey.

[badRNG]

> Speaking of vibe coding in archaic languages

Well, I think we can say C is archaic when most developers write in something that for one isn't C, two isn't a language itself written in C, or three isn't running on something written in C :)

[psunavy03]

(Python has exited the chat)

[kgeist]

If we take the most popular programming languages and look at what their reference (or most popular) implementations are written in, then we get:

  C++: JavaScript (V8), Java, C#

  C: Python, PHP, Lua, Ruby

  Self-hosted: Go, Rust

Far from archaic indeed. We're still living in the C/C++ world.

[pjmlp]

Java and C# compilers are selfhosted.

Then depending on which JVM implementation we are talking about the actual JVM runtime can be Java, C, or C++, or a mix of them.

Modern C compilers are written in C++.

Rust uses LLVM, written in C++.

[tmtvl]

I thought Rust still used LLVM (a C++ project) for the backend, did they already switch to Cranelift?

[Dylan16807]

I believe they're talking about runtimes, not compilers.

[pjmlp]

No, it is still LLVM.

[burnt-resistor]

Hehe. In the "someone should make a website"™ department: using a crap tons of legacy protocols and plugins semi-interoperable with modern while offering legacy browsers loaded with legacy plugins something usable to test with, i.e.,

- SSL 2.0-TLS 1.1, HTTP/0.9-HTTP/1.1, ftp, WAIS, gopher, finger, telnet, rwho, TinyFugue MUD, UUCP email, SHOUTcast streaming some public domain radio whatever

- <blink>, <marquee>, <object>, XHTML, SGML

- Java <applet>, Java Web Start

- MSJVM/J++, ActiveX, Silverlight

- Flash, Shockwave (of course), Adobe Air

- (Cosmo) VRML

- Joke ActiveX control or toolbar that turns a Win 9x/NT-XP box into a "real" ProgressBar95. ;)

(Gov't mandated PSA: Run vintage {good,bad}ness with care.)

[giancarlostoro]

To be fair, we have Flash emulators that run in modern browsers, and a Shockwave one as well, though it seems to be slowing down a bit in traction. Man, VRML brought me back. Don't forget VBScript!

[lawlessone]

why even write webpages or apps anymore just prompt an LLM everytime a user makes a request and write the page to send to the user :D

[giancarlostoro]

This... was a Show HN a little while back, can't tell if you're making a joke or referring to that.

[lawlessone]

oh god, it was a joke, but i want to see that. i hope they made it as a joke.

edit: I think i found it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45783640

[pacifika]

Ah lingo, where the programming metaphor was a theatre production!

[TheRoque]

> it takes several months worth of effort and spits it out in a few hours

lol