[WalterBright]

I've been an employer. I didn't have any power over my employees. If there was anything they didn't like, they simply stopped coming to work. How was I supposed to make them show up?

One embezzled a large amount of money and spent it on drugs. What was I supposed to do about that? He was broke, he couldn't pay the money back. All I could do was tell him to not come back.

I've also been employed at minimum wage jobs, and salaried jobs. I never felt the employer had power over me. At my salaried jobs, my coworkers complained about all the power the company had over them. The company had no power over me, so I would ask them what the power was. After some long conversations, the problem was the coworkers spent every dime of their income. So not having a paycheck for a week was a catastrophe. The company, however, was unaware of these issues.

I recommend saving up to 6 months of living expenses, and then the employer will have no leverage over you.

[freefaler]

A lot of people forget that going hungry is the default state of not doing a thing. The super rich and socially progressive societies redistribute the taxes they levy on the productive people to help the people who can not (elderly, ill) or won't (lazy bastards) work. It might be a better deal for the society as a whole, to offset the cirme that would ensue if there isn't any social net.

A lion in the plains of Africa is not entitled to a dinner, the farmer in not entitled to a crop yield. It is super rare that people can't do anything to better themselves and get more for their own skills or execution. Any buisness owner will gladly share a percentage of profit you generate for them if you can show them you're indeed generating such profit.

If you're in DPRK or Cuba then you'd need to check your free-market priviledge of having a market for your skills.

[WalterBright]

> to offset the cirme that would ensue if there isn't any social net.

The recent news from Minnesota suggests that the social safety net is a magnet for astonishing levels of theft.

[freefaler]

It's not the social safety, but the bad enforcement of the law. When bad acts are not punished, this is the problem that occurs.

Some social systems like in Israel if you're ablebodied you are given a public service job, like cleaning the park and etc... so you aren't entitled to a check for doing nothing.

South Africa hasn't any meaningful social net and the wealthy people live in special "high security" enclaves with additional guards and fenced perimeters. If you have a lot of hungry people on the street they will be forced to survive somehow and you'd get more crime.

[civeng]

This is part of the false dichotomy you are not understanding. It's not actually a valid choice if there are no options. And that is what this is actually about, understanding how we have no good options, and what to do about it. I recommend start digging in and we all question or own understanding and acceptance of the system. Is it actually working with even a simple majority in the best position we can be?

Currently employing 130 wage slaves and unduly profiting from their margins, and not satisfied with the overall system at all.

[WalterBright]

If you are a US citizen in the US, you have options. There's absolutely nothing an employer can do to force them to stay.

[civeng]

I understand your point that a typical US citizen has options where they work.

My point is when all options include wage slavery it's not an actual option. That's it, a false dichotomy.

And that is what the OP is about. It's exploring a fundamentally different system which I understand is scary.

[WalterBright]

Please tell me about "wage slavery" in the US with US citizens and why they have no options.

[civeng]

Asking this question leads me to suspect you have no true curiosity or willingness to learn a new perspective as it's literally a Google away. And then you will reply in another direction that justifies your narrow world view that is of course justified 100% by your experience. This is not effective discourse and I see you doing it all over.

It’s a well-documented economic concept. You can find plenty on it if you're actually curious about the perspective. And understanding it thoroughly is a strong prerequisite to seriously engaging with other people with intent to learn. It's work you need do yourself.

[WalterBright]

It would have taken less effort to answer the question than what you did write.