[Trasmatta]

> As a project manager, it sounds like you're making excuses. Just give me a number, trust your gut!

If we're just making up numbers, why don't you just make it up yourself and save the developers the trouble?

[vegetablepotpie]

Ah! But I want you to own it. If you say it first... you own it. And I do not have to get you to agree to it.

[Trasmatta]

This is usually how I get tricked into setting deadlines. I get asked for a "rough estimate", then it magically becomes a deadline.