[tialaramex]

I mean, I'm pretty sure there was a long period where you could walk up 5 minutes before, and fly on a plane where you're not allowed to smoke. It's completely unrelated.

The TSA makes no sense as a safety intervention, it's theatre, it's supposed to look like we're trying hard to solve the problem, not be an attempt to solve the problem, and if there was an accident investigation for 9/11 I can't think why, that's not an accident.

As to your specific claim about enforcement, actually we don't even know whether we'd increase paperwork overhead in many cases. Rationalization driven by new regulation can actually reduce this instead.

For a non-regulatory (at least in the sense that there's no government regulators involved) example consider Let's Encrypt's ACME which was discussed here recently. ACME complies with the "Ten Blessed Methods". But prior to Let's Encrypt the most common processes weren't stricter, or more robust, they were much worse and much more labour intensive. Some of them were prohibited more or less immediately when the "Ten Blessed Methods" were required because they're just obviously unacceptable.

The Proof of Control records from ACME are much better than what had been the usual practice prior yet Let's Encrypt is $0 at point of use and even if we count the actual cost (borne by donations rather than subscribers) it's much cheaper than the prior commercial operators had been for much more value delivered.

[ethbr1]

Smoking and TSA are unrelated.

You provided an example of where arguing against regulation was ill-conceived in hindsight. I offered an obvious example of the opposite (everyone against plane hijacking -> regulation -> air travel is made worse for everyone without much improvement for the primary issue).

> Rationalization driven by new regulation can actually reduce [paperwork] instead.

Ha! Anything is possible, I suppose.

I'd point out that the TBM were not ratified by committee (much less a government) and were rammed through by unilateral Mozilla fiat.

[tialaramex]

The CA/B Forum did in fact ratify these rules, which is why they're in its "Baseline Requirements".

They (I would say deliberately) stalled the process to actually make those rules binding on the CAs and that is where Mozilla used their fiat powers to just require this anyway, knowing that all the other trust stores would come for the ride and actually nobody at CA/B offered a legitimate reason not to do this, they just (again I would say deliberately) allowed it to get procedurally bogged down so that nothing would happen for a period of time.