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by xioxox 195 days ago
Although adverts on the fridge are absolutely terrible, is this genuine? Here's a reddit post some time before that suggesting the scenario: https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1ow6cpu/appa...
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It's a bit trite, but also true -- a significant portion of reddit is totally made up. It's worse than it was a few years ago, but I have no way whatsoever to measure it. Occasionally I bump into youtube videos which are just narrations of reddit posts which tell some interesting or controversial story. They all really sound fabricated. There's no way for me to know with certainty, but I think extreme skepticism is the safer assumption for any large reddit.
Reddit was originally built using fake accounts, who’s to say it ever really stopped.

https://venturebeat.com/ai/reddit-fake-users

who's to say they didn't turn it up to 11 with advent of generative AI
If you spend any time in it, you know it is.

They’ve never forced folks to verify email addresses, but the last 6 months or so you see tons of accounts commenting on very on discussions, writing bland ai-like, making posts that are just riling things up, and/or hiding their post and comment history.

What was once the last bastion of interesting social media is quickly becoming useless.

Everything on the internet is fake. That is as true now as it always was.

For every real post, I can make up a fake one that's more agreeable to the hivemind and therefore will be more upvoted. Since you see a limited amount of posts in a session, you will only see fake posts and the real ones will be hidden forever.

Just because someone suggested a possible scenario could happen and it then did happen isn't all that suspicious to me.
On Reddit? It should... These were historically almost always made up after people looked into it.

To be clear, the picture is likely real. The backstory to it probably not.

The people that actually feel like they've had the episode would almost certainly not go on social media with it. The venn diagram of people sharing such content, having the money to buy such a gigantic smart fridge and suffering from schizophrenia is miniscule

> To be clear, the picture is likely real.

The ads for this TV show are real and do look like that.

Honestly, a trigger for paranoia in someone of the same name as the show's protagonist, or stealth marketing, are equally likely scenarios to me. We don't know.

Its not minuscule at all. Some studies have employment rates for schizophrenics approaching 50%. In any case the rate is not 0%. Apparently when you look at the literature you find conclusions such as:

Very low employment rates are not intrinsic to schizophrenia, but appear to reflect an interplay between the social and economic pressures that patients face, the labour market and psychological and social barriers to working.[0]

Barriers like you believing you can generalize all schizophrenics to be poor/unemployed and unable to earn.

[0] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/S00127-004-0762-4

> The people that actually feel like they've had the episode would almost certainly not go on social media with it.

Did you read the post? It's somebody talking about what happened to their sister.

I admittedly did not, initially.

I did now and am even more certain it's made up now.

I'm not sure how anyone can honestly think this is a person talking about their family. This is like a textbook made believe story people have been doing since Reddit got popular in early 2010s.

For this story to be real, you'll have to add a fourth and fifth circle to the diagram with a family member being close enough to the person suffering from the illness to be confided in and being so karma hungry to utilize their personal story which is likely shameful to them for going viral on Reddit.

Another circle for the Venn diagram is that the schizophrenic sister's name happens to be Carol, the same as the name in the ad shown on the fridge.

Obviously made up.

And why did it have to be a fridge? The same ad is being displayed all over the place, from phone screens to billboards.
> the schizophrenic sister's name happens to be Carol ... Obviously made up.

Why? because no-ones' sister is ever called "Carol" ? Or because people of that name don't get schizophrenia?

I consider myself sane, but if I saw a billboard addressing me by name, I would do a double-take at least. I can easily understand how it would have an impact and look like a schizophrenic symptom.

The TV show advert with that text actually does exist, I've seen it.

Given that, what are the odds that some day a) it is seen, b) by someone called Carol, c) who is susceptible to being affected by it. I would say substantial.

We don't know the truth of this at all.

It’s anti-tech rhetoric so it works well here in HN. That’s the entire purpose of it.

Not to say ads on fridges aren’t stupid. But they are stupid enough by themselves; they don’t have to make up stories about them.

Honestly some of the posts defending "it could be true!!" when nearly any rational reading of it would deem it "fake beyond a reasonable doubt" are just tiresome at this point.

Like you say, it's easy to have a rational discussion that these adverts are dumb and annoying, and purporting this fan fiction as truth just weakens the case.

Yeah so this hypothetical sister doesn’t work, lives by themself, is severely disabled by schizophrenia but at the same time can afford a £2000 fridge. That’s a crazy amount of money to splash for someone who doesn’t work. Especially as amazing fridges are sold for £600-800. Oh, on top of all that, the persons name is Carol. It wouldn’t have worked with any other name.

I don’t think the story is real. But people who want it to be true are easily convinced.

> is severely disabled by schizophrenia but at the same time can afford a £2000 fridge.

The fridge has been on sale for a few years and schizophrenia can come on very suddenly. People's lives can change in a day because of it. You and I don't know the truth of it and can't reasonably jump to conclusions like that.

I recently had an obviously disturbed man come to the window of my Tesla asking for help. He did not specifically say money, but that's what he wanted. Long story short, he sees that the Tesla has identified a human standing next to the car, but the Tesla showed four people. The man asked how does the vehicle know there are people there, I told him that the Tesla has eight cameras around it. He then asked how does it know there were four people, I explained that the Tesla does not know there were four people, rather the Tesla has a hard time figuring out where something as small as a human is - it is designed to detect larger things like other vehicles. The man was obviously extremely affected, and walked away without another word.

Only later did I understand that the Tesla may have just confirmed what he had suspected all along - that there are in fact four people in the place where he is standing.

Might have wealthy relatives or a trust fund. I agree with you that this is probably made-up anyway.
It's also true that illness and disability can come to any of us. Carol could have been a software developer who made a good bit of money before being unable to work anymore.
Of course it might be genuine, but there's also a history of r/LegalAdviceUK getting a number of creative writing exercises. See this post: https://old.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1loyctr/rage...
I used to follow a few personal finance and FIRE subs. Pretty much all of them had surprising number of creative writing exercises too:

"I just inherited $10 million from a dead relative I never knew, what should I do?"

Or:

"I sold my online business for $37 million, is this enough to retire on?"

These daydreamers always create fresh throwaway accounts and usually never come back to answer clarifying questions. If they do, their answers are vague and unhelpful.

Many in the personal finance subs are hooks leading users to one scam or another. Mostly some mild and worthless ebook or course you pay for.
Why use the “creative writing exercise” euphemism that obscures the dishonesty? Call them liars, fakes, frauds, or whatever.
Because it’s not that serious.
Because it's internet + social media. You should assume 60% of it is made up, every time. People are either saying things they know to be untrue, or things they think are true but or not.
When a million doomers post their predictions in response to something, a few are bound to be correct. Doesn't mean it's real, fake, or manifested by the hivemind. Just monkeys with typewriters.
It’s not genuine. The fridge doesn’t show full-screen ads, the original Reddit post and image of the ‘Carol’ ad is staged. At best, this is a parable about the slippery slope our ad-ridden society is sliding down.

https://9to5google.com/samsung-smart-fridge-ads-how-to-turn-...

Update 11/14: Samsung has commented on the image posted to Reddit, noting that the ad format shown on the smart fridge display is not one that would appear over the cover screen. Any ad shown would be limited to the cover screen widget, which displays news, weather, and calendar events. Those slides rotate every 10 seconds or so, and an ad is looped in around every 40 seconds.

It appears that the ad shown in the Reddit photo is of the fridge’s Samsung Internet app. Through that, an ad seems to have shown up organically through a third-party website.

Samsung notes that full-screen ads do not appear as part of these recent software updates, and users shouldn’t expect to see ads that take up the entire display.

‘Shown up organically’ seems like a very generous interpretation to me - it seems far more likely that someone viewed it deliberately for the purposes of staging the photo.

On the one hand, I don't trust reddit.

On the other hand, I don't trust a company that puts ads on their fridges.

Samsung has reputation on the line with millions to lose, unlike fake engagement account on Reddit.
If Samsung cared about their reputation they would have stopped releasing garbage electronics a decade ago and anyone suggesting putting ads on a fridge (and a high end one at that) would have been fired the same day they suggested it.
On one hand I wouldn't cheer for spreading lies, but if this specific post got Samsung to lay down where the ads appear and at which frequency, I'd see the positive side of it. In particular they're that less likely to actually silently move to full ads in the near future even if they planned to, now that they officially commented on it.

On the other hand, this was traditionally the role of art and fiction. Black Mirror was based on the premise of getting people to react to this kind of future, and it looks like it's either not working (anymore?) or we're past the point where hypothetical situations would grab our attention and we can do something about it.

On the third hand, I have no intention to buy a fridge with a screen on it, but if it becomes the mainstream offering will I be forking 10% or 20% to not have th screen, or if those will have significantly better features (better temperature management etc.). I also wished I wasn't looking at ads, but in practice the best educational content right now is sponsored by S**space.

I've seen a photo floating around on Twitter at least: https://x.com/KlonnyPin_Gosch/status/1997179871467094177

No idea if it's not photoshopped though.

The ad is real. I cannot personally vouch for it appearing on smart fridges, but it's not in the least surprising.
I don't understand that account. What is Mickey Mouse doing talking about Al-Aqsa?
the most incongruous part of the story to me is the fact that someone like Carol in this post would have such an expensive fridge in the first place - aren't those relatively expensive?
You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
They won't stop till they can transmit advertisements directly into your brain.
the technology to directly transmit audio without the need for headphones has been around for a while , for a recent implementation one could search up soundlazer

it is interesting to consider that at any point the thoughts in one's skull are not necessarily their own

Seeing how it actually looks like: https://i.redd.it/bhlz9ioh121g1.jpeg

I find it plausible at least.