[hexbin010]

Yes that's a nice sales pitch for PMs to exist. I have never criticised PMs as being totally pointless. I've worked with some decent enough ones.

I'm guessing you're a PM or have been? You did the classic 'opening agree to disarm, then disagree with a long sales pitch' that they're so good at ;)

It seems to me you're vastly overselling the impact of even the 50th percentile of PMs

I think project management is useful (I'm not going to get in the weeds of PM vs PM vs PO etc). But I feel we've over-promoted classic project managers into roles driving product direction without them having the experience or acumen for it.

[nekitamo]

I'm an engineer. I don't think I'm overselling the impact of them, I called the majority of them useless lol.

I agree with everything else you wrote. Especially the bit about over promoted project managers. That's my thinking as well.