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by ceejayoz 195 days ago
Read again.

> After standardizing the characteristics of vaccinated individuals to those of unvaccinated individuals, we observed a 25% lower standardized incidence of all-cause death in vaccinated individuals compared with unvaccinated ones…

> Vaccinated individuals had a lower risk of death compared with unvaccinated individuals regardless of the cause of death.

> All-cause mortality was lower within 6 months following COVID-19 vaccination, regardless of the dose administered, compared with the control periods...
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hervature 195 days ago
You should read my statement again.

If COVID vaccines reduces COVID deaths by 100% and increase everything else by 0.01%, you will still have a reduction in "all-cause" mortality yet your chances of dying by anything else has increased. I already said Table 2 does not show this is happening and in fact vaccinated individuals have better outcomes across the board. However, people are drawing this conclusion (even though they are correct) incorrectly without looking at the data.

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ceejayoz 195 days ago
> If COVID vaccines reduces COVID deaths by 100% and increase everything else by 0.01%…

But you already agreed this is not the case, in your comment:

> If you look at Table 2, you can see that the vaccinated group is less mortality in all diseases.

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binary132 195 days ago
GP is saying that indicates there is some other factor involved in reducing all-cause mortality, since it is probably reasonable to believe the mRNA vaccines were not improving mortality rates of other diseases, and that therefore the sampling of these populations is not random.

See this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46164643

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velcrovan 195 days ago
> It is probably reasonable to believe the mRNA vaccines were not improving mortality rates of other diseases,

By now, this is not a reasonable belief. We know that COVID can cause cardiovascular damage, kidney injury, diabetes, neurological problems, and systemic inflammation, all of which increase mortality risk from other causes. It only makes sense that preventing or reducing the severity of COVID infection prevents those downstream complications and reduces all-cause mortality.

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