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by croon 195 days ago
I hear this a lot. I never see examples.

The fact checking I've looked at starts with something like a claim, then dives into context, then lists supporting evidence of either verifying that claim or disproving it, leaning on that supporting evidence.

For fact checking not to be valuable, either the supporting evidence is wrong, the reasoning leading from that to the conclusion is wrong, or something third is wrong.

If that is the case in fact checking, that should absolutely be criticized, and any fact checker with integrity would put up a correction.

For all the vague critique against "fact checking" I've heard, I've never actually seen anyone give examples.

If the critique instead is "they selectively only fact check this and not that", the conclusion should not be that fact checking is bad, but that more is needed.

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Surprisingly few things are solid facts. Many of them are opinions, especially in politics, culture and celebrity reporting.

Snopes is one of the most beloved fact checking services, yet I have seen them make questionable claims. I remember they tried to say once many years ago that snuff videos don't exist. How could they make such a blanket claim? It would have been more honest to say that most of them are fake. Not only would it be possible to make such a video, there is considerable evidence that some have been made. Saddam Hussein and his son are said to have enjoyed watching videos of executions. Now that may be propaganda against Hussein, but he would have been capable of sourcing such material and watching it. At least one murder was streamed on Facebook Live and someone was arrested for it. I'd say that counted as such.

> I remember they tried to say once many years ago that snuff videos don't exist. How could they make such a blanket claim?

I'm curious about that too. Is there an archive link or something you can provide? I can't seem to find that claim.

You’re going to argue with the Snuff Videos Truther?

This is the funniest example of “Which views exactly? / Oh, you know the ones.”

Snopes excluded itself from archiving. I let you guess why.

My favorite was their check on masks in early 2020 - they said that masks do nothing to the airborne viruses and the government will never force you to wear one, people who are walking around with masks are dangerous lunatics who deprive medical workers of much needed PPE. Imagine if it was archived and available now?

Ok, can you link that one? Did someone write a blogpost/tweet/reddit post/take a screenshot of it at the time?

Have they rewritten/erased all their erroneous fact checks?

If so, is that bad or good?

Are all the fact checks currently on the website valid?

How can I link it if they are excluded from the time back machine and they pulled that "fact" since then? I have no clue if someone wrote blog post about it. I also don't read all checks currently on their site so cannot answer your question about them. I have only read the one about masks because someone at work sent a mail about masks available and another person responded with an angry critique, complete with a link to snopes ( I am sure that couple of weeks later the same guy had been driving around with a double mask and reported unmasked to the police)
If you read my original post, do you feel that anything in it was addressed?
Can you link any examples or no?