[bigstrat2003]

> Hmm, according to whom, exactly?

Well, Google for one. https://security.googleblog.com/2025/11/rust-in-android-move...

> And yet somehow the internet went down because of a program written in rust that didn’t validate input.

You're ignoring other factors (it wasn't just Cloudflare's rust code that led to the issue), but even setting that aside your framing is not accurate. The rust program went down because the programmer made a choice that, given invalid input, it should crash. This could happen in every language ever made. It has nothing to do with rust.

[disappoint]

Google's Android teams also categorize old C code as C++, and mix gotos into their modern C++ code.

[disappoint]

> This could happen in every language ever made. It has nothing to do with rust.

Except it does. This also has to do with culture. In Rust, I get the impression that one can set it up as roughly two communities.

The first does not consider safety, security and correctness to be the responsibility of the language, instead they consider it their own responsibility. They merely appreciate it when the language helps with all that, and take precautions when the language hinders that. They try to be honest with themselves.

The second community is careless, might make various unfounded claims and actions that sometimes border on cultish and gang mob behavior and beliefs, and can for instance spew unwrap() all over codebases even when not appropriate for that kind of project, or claim that a Rust project is memory safe even when unsafe Rust is used all over the place with lots of basic bugs and UB-inducing bugs in it.

The second community is surprisingly large, and is severely detrimental to security, safety and correctness.

[LinXitoW]

Again, this has nothing to do with the point at hand, which is that "in any language, a developer can choose the crash the problem if a unrecoverable state happens". That's it.

Tell me about how these supposed magical groups have anything at all to do with language features. What language can magically conjure triple the memory from thin air because the upstream query returned 200+ entries instead of the 60-ish you're required to support?

[aw1621107]

I don't think you're actually disagreeing with the person you're responding to here. Even if you take your grouping as factual, there's nothing that limits said grouping to Rust programmers. Or in other words:

> This could happen in every language ever made. It has nothing to do with rust.