[Retric]

Sure, and advertising has zero effect on you.

Manipulation works in subtle ways. Shifting the Overton window isn’t about individual events, this isn’t the work of days but decades. People largely abandoned unions in the US for example, but not because they are useless.

[arthurfirst]

> Sure, and advertising has zero effect on you.

Not possible!

But you learn over time and if you have the right though process, less and less it affects you.

Unions had a place, the idea sounds good, it's the practice people didnt like.

[Retric]

> people didnt like

People loved higher pay / increased safety etc for the same work. In many cases union jobs are paying double the non union alternative.

The attack however came from multiple directions, but you often see people who care deeply about their union. It’s people who with less experience who were easier to influence.

[arthurfirst]

I worded it poorly.

Unions should have more of a place... it is the right idea... but they were subverted in critical ways so they don't serve their members quite as they should. Instead they enrich middle men. Seems like the bigger the union the truer this is.