[inferiorhuman]

Last I checked even Apple migrated to LF. Perhaps it's time for Windows to stop being the odd man out? Regardless:

  not work with every windows text editor

Last I checked both Visual Studio Code and Notepad++ can both make line endings configurable. That covers a plurality of use cases. Even the built-in Notepad supports using CR or LF only for going on eight years now.

[ekipan]

Hard agree. Literally every Windows editor I've ever used, except Notepad, allows me to configure it to save CRLF or LF or sometimes even CR files. And I always just leave it on LF because it's easier.

Old Notepad support should not be a priority for a language implementer. Get a real text editor, they're varied and plentiful. This was always a non-issue drudged up by nobody actually interested in using Zig and so it was rightfully ignored.

[CyberDildonics]

Perhaps it's time for Windows to stop being the odd man out?

This is the same nonsense rationalizations that zig gave. Windows is the odd man out. If you want to release something on windows you match an extra byte on the ends of lines. It isn't that hard and even the simplest toy language does it. It's just part of line splitting, it isn't even something that happens at the language stage.

Last I checked both Visual Studio Code and Notepad++ can both make line endings configurable.

Last time I checked it was totally unnecessary because no other language releases for a platform and tries to punish their users. Options like that are to make files match while being worked on for different platforms, not so that a compiler doesn't try to punish and troll its users for using it.

[inferiorhuman]

  If you want to release something on windows you match an extra byte on the ends of lines

Did I miss some sort of formal directive from Microsoft or is this just outrage that someone dared do something not up to your standards?

  try to punish and troll its users for using it

Nobody's being punished. Configuring your dev environment is something people do for every language. Let's add some perspective here: we're talking about a single runtime option for your text editor of choice. BFD. More to the point, why isn't your editor or IDE properly supporting Zig files?

[CyberDildonics]

Did I miss some sort of formal directive from Microsoft or is this just outrage that someone dared do something not up to your standards?

It's just the way it works, it isn't my standards, it is literally any piece of software that detects line breaks.

Nobody's being punished. Configuring your dev environment is something people do for every language.

No one has to configure around this issue because it is trivially solved and dealt with by every piece of software on the planet. It takes longer to write an error message than it does it just split a line correctly.

Let's add some perspective here: we're talking about a single runtime option for your text editor of choice.

Let's add some perspective here: they intentionally broke their own software to upset 72% of their potential users.

More to the point, why isn't your editor or IDE properly supporting Zig files?

No one has to care about zig, it's a niche language that doesn't care about its users, it's irrelevant except for hacker news threads.

If some language started demanding you save all your text files with carriage returns or will will error out, what would you think?

You sound like a lawyer grasping at straws instead of someone with a reasonable perspective that wouldn't be hypocritical when flipped around.

[inferiorhuman]

  You sound like a lawyer grasping at straws instead of 
  someone with a reasonable perspective that wouldn't be
  hypocritical when flipped around.

What lawyer speak? You're throwing a temper tantrum over a situation entirely of your own making. That there's a Windows port of Zig and sufficient users to justify its continued existence pretty clearly shows your hyperbole isn't representative in the way you claim.

Were I in a situation where I needed to work with something not expecting LF line termination I'd either configure my dev environment appropriately or find tools that do what I want.

  No one has to care about zig, it's a niche language that doesn't
  care about its users, it's irrelevant except for hacker news threads.

So when it's your tool selection nobody has to care? But when someone else makes a decision you disagree with it's the end of the world? Gotcha. Don't check that checkbox. Stay mad, bro.

[CyberDildonics]

it's the end of the world?

You didn't confront anything I wrote and instead just made up something no one said. All I did say was that zig is intentionally hostile to their own users, which they are.

If you could actually deal with what I wrote I think you would have done it already.

[inferiorhuman]

From where I'm sitting it seems like it's time for you to take a break from this thread.

[crystal_revenge]

> This is the same nonsense rationalizations that zig gave.

I'm guessing you didn't live through the early days of webdev when you had to jump through ridiculous hoops just to support IE. At least back then there was the excuse that IE had the lions share of the market and many corporate users.

The industry wide acceptance of supporting IE majorly held back what websites/apps were capable of being. Around 2012ish (right as I was leaving webdev) more and more major teams started to stop supporting earlier broken versions of IE (this was largely empowered by the rising popularity of Chrome). This had a major impact on improving the state of web applications, and also got MS to seriously improve their web browser. Moves like this one by the Zig team are the only way you're going to push Microsoft to improve the situation.

Now you may claim "but Windows is 70% of users!" but this issue doesn't impact anyone wanting to run Zig applications, only those writing them. If you're an inexperienced dev that's super curious about Zig, this type of error might be another good nudge that maybe Windows isn't the OS you want to be working on.

[CyberDildonics]

Now you may claim "but Windows is 70% of users!" but this issue doesn't impact anyone wanting to run Zig applications, only those writing them.

No one is confused about how a compiler works. Those people being intentionally trolled are called your users when you make a language.

If you're an inexperienced dev that's super curious about Zig, this type of error might be another good nudge that maybe Windows isn't the OS you want to be working on.m

Then why did they make a windows version? Any normal person just sees that they shouldn't invest time in a language intentionally annoying it's own users for trying it out.

You still haven't come up with any explanation, your whole tangent about internet explorer has no relevance. There isn't one part of your comment that makes sense. Why would you even care about other people's OS and text editors? What kind of fanaticism would lead to wanting to use a language because they intentionally annoy users of something you aren't even involved in?

The whole thing is basically a case of "this things doesn't stand on any merits, I've just decided that I don't like certain people and they did something to upset them even though they are really just shooting themselves in the foot".