[BoorishBears]

The fact they would not exist without the leeches and built their business on the leeches is irrelevant.

Pan-nationalism is a hell of a drug: a company that does not know you exist puts out an objectively awful release, and people take frank discussion of it as a personal slight.

[Fnoord]

Those who crawled the web without consent, and then put their LLM in a blackbox without attribution, with secret prompt and secret weights -- ie. all of this without giving back, while creating tons of Co2. Those are the leeches.

[BoorishBears]

Ah, so "crawled the web without consent, and then put their LLM in a blackbox without attribution" is not being a leech once you release the weights of an underperforming model using someone else's arch.

I knew y'all's standards were lower but geez!

[Fnoord]

At the very least it is a step in the right direction. Can't say the same for these proprietary models. And guess which country has all these proprietary models? USA.

[BoorishBears]

Thank goodness for that, otherwise all we might have is useless copies of Deepseek.

[baq]

If you want to allocate capital efficiently planet-scale you have to ignore nations to the largest extent possible.

[sofixa]

> The fact they would not exist without the leeches and built their business on the leeches is irrelevant.

How so?