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by jack_tripper 200 days ago
> 1. There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets.

With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure.

>2. Why single out Ukraine here?

Because this is the best example right now that everyone knows and can somewhat relate to. Unless you happen to know any other western country currently doing this.
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Quarrel 200 days ago
Can I offer you a similar, and probably more palatable, example:

https://united24media.com/latest-news/russia-starts-issuing-...

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jack_tripper 200 days ago
Why would you assume that's somehow more palpable? Is there a competition I'm not aware of?

And my current EU country would also draft me by force after I applied and got citizenship, which is why I don't do it. Sure, unlike Russia or Ukraine, I wouldn't be sent to fight in a war (for now), but many countries have mandatory conscription for their male citizens.

So there's nothing special or noteworthy about Russia's conscriptions of its own naturalized citizens, especially given its at war, so I don't get the point you were trying to make with that article you shared.

Did you assume that naturalized citizens would somehow be spared obligations of military service just because they weren't born there? That's not how citizenship works.

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fragmede 200 days ago
HN truncated your link, so All I could see is https://united2… and thought you were linking to something like https://youtu.be/pl0WGFsY-6g

Which is still grown men abducting people in broad daylight, just not in Ukraine.

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Quarrel 200 days ago
Ah- the headline is "Russia Starts Issuing Draft Notices at Airports to New Citizens and Returning Expats".

Basically the Russian's are conscripting people flying in to airports, both regional and international. With an added nuance of racism against non-Slavs.

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eitland 200 days ago
>>> Just grab any man you see on the street, throw him in the van and ship him to the conscription office for processing.

>> 1. This is a wild exaggeration:[1] There are lots of men walking in Ukrainian streets.

> With the right papers clearing them of draft obligations, sure.

So basically you agree with me that it was a wild exaggeration?

[1] Also your computer seem to have a bug where its clipboard selectively remove words (see the part in italics) from the text you quote without inserting ellipsis or any kind of marker to indicate it. The alternative would be that you very deliberately misrepresent what I wrote and that wouldn't be a nice thing to accuse you of.

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jack_tripper 200 days ago
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oneshtein 200 days ago
it's a wild exaggeration
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