[podgietaru]

Not to mention included YouTube Music. It's one of the few subs I pay for, because I watch a _lot_ of YouTube on the TV. And also like to have it in the background for "Podcast" style videos where the video is really only an accompaniment.

[microtonal]

That's actually worse. They used to have a separate YouTube subscription. I don't want (to pay for) YouTube Music, because I already have Apple Music and Tidal, which I prefer.

[jeffbee]

This is not accurate. The entire time that YouTube Premium (Red) existed, a subscription to it always included the music service.

[microtonal]

The US is not the world, in many countries there was a YouTube subscription without Music. I was even subscribed to it! Here is an article from the largest Dutch website that announced that Google was going to axe that subscription type:

https://tweakers.net/nieuws/213942/youtube-stopt-met-premium...

[hombre_fatal]

Also, since Youtube Music is just a skin over Youtube, it's not true that your subscription must necessarily be cheaper if there were no Youtube Music.

[SoftTalker]

I'm the opposite. With YouTube Music, I don't need Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, or any other service. For me, YouTube Premium is a good deal, and other than Fubo TV it's the only streaming media subscription I have.