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by gf000 199 days ago
Desktop Linux is more of a love project, it has basically no real support. Compared to the kernel it's more like YouTube $5 comments.

And given that Wayland has less moving pieces (it properly sits on top of kernel abstractions), your take is even less likely to be true.
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dabockster 199 days ago
> Desktop Linux is more of a love project, it has basically no real support.

Ubuntu and RHEL exist, but you're right that they're outliers. This is potentially the next killer app if someone wants to take this on.

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sprash 199 days ago
Desktop Linux needs standardized and stable infrastructure. X11 delivers on that perfectly.

Wayland despite receiving huge amounts funding has actually far more moving pieces. Even for the simplest tasks you have to deal with a dbus infested portal maze, many parallel infrastructure effects and high fragmentation. The API is atrociously stupid and cumbersome.

Besides that the modesetting driver of xorg also sits "properly on top of kernel abstractions". How is this in any ways a relevant criterion. What matters is that Wayland clearly makes the wrong abstractions for Desktop applications and the vast amount of parallel infrastructure required to do even the simplest tasks shows that.

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gf000 199 days ago
> Wayland despite receiving huge amounts funding

Citation needed

> Even for the simplest tasks you have to deal with a dbus infested portal maze

The simplest task is displaying a buffer, or changing a buffer, or handling events, and absolutely none of them have anything to do with dbus whatsoever. Also, have you seen an X11 desktop environment like KDE or Gnome? I recommend looking at all the dbus messages that are in flight there at any time.

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colordrops 199 days ago
> perfectly

For a very strange definition of "perfect".

Dbus does suck, I'll give you that.

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bitwize 198 days ago
Tell that to Havoc Pennington. Dbus was the solution he came up with based on requirements and constraints set by the DEs. A lot of people have claimed we need something better, but nobody has actually created something better. Till someone does, Dbus is the standard for client communication with Wayland compositors outside the core protocol. Sure beats piping stuff over X ClientMessage events.
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colordrops 196 days ago
I forget there are individual humans behind these projects sometimes, I suppose my comment was a bit harsh. I do use dbus for free every day.
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