[CamperBob2]

Yes, and to do that, CAN must be encrypted. The idea isn't just to secure it from hackers. The idea is to secure it from owners.

[bri3d]

> SecOC, which is cryptographic authentication but the message is still plaintext

[CamperBob2]

Oh, OK, that's better. I can see what my car is doing, I just can't do anything about it.