[Atlas667]

"Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand." - Karl Marx

My last few comments on this site have been precisely about these ideas. These ideas, in my view, are inherent flaws of philosophical liberalism, of which modern liberalism and conservatism stem. This ideology places itself at the forefront of morality, but can't even seriously analyze the conditions of the individual.

A rich heir is self made, but a poor man is morally and spiritually bankrupt. This is how far this modern ideology goes. Totally unscientific and is also the birthplace of modern racism.

This is how far the equality goes, that is, not very far at all. The liberal revolutions of the last ~400 years must be called the aristocratic revolutions. One where the organized aristocracy came into power, and so did their morals.

[anon291]

One thing I noticed about marxists is that they themselves have a hierarchy surrounding the rich and poor which they imagine exists in everyone else.

In reality, hardly anyone thinks a poor man is 'spiritually bankrupt'. The main religion of the Western world says the poor man is in fact inherently better.

[Atlas667]

IDK, man, I hear Christians talk about people being misguided (spiritually) all the time. In fact I think they're the ones who say it the most.

But I actually meant it as a sort of drive (spirit), not wholly about belief (spiritual).

But also, you must take into consideration all the ill effects of poverty. Such as crime, lack of education, lack of opportunities, the emotional faults of poverty, unchecked mental health problems, anger, frustration, ills with socialization, etc. All of the effects derived from poverty. All of these get bunched up into a single shallow view of the poor: "they're just like that" - kinda tone.

While the rich get the material wealth and the status-privilege of their families, the rich are assumed to be valuable.

This is literally what the article is talking about, albeit within a more aristocratic context.

[rimbo789]

Read any thread in HN about the unhoused and it is very clear many many people think the poor deserve their condition and are lesser for being so.

[astrange]

Unfortunately one thing being homeless can do to you (or being a drug addict can do to you) is give you permanent brain injuries, at which point you are stuck that way.

So there's circularity.