[petermcneeley]

People dont live like this here. We would view this as hardship for peasants of another ancient time.

This is not to say it must be cars. It can be other forms of transit like bus/subway. Of course standing in an unsheltered area waiting for a bus is also highly undesirable. The windchill makes this literally dangerous.

Perhaps there is a cultural barrier here? or perhaps you are not familiar with real winter.

[queenkjuul]

I live in Chicago, most people I know don't drive, many of us bike in the cold, no it's not because we're poor

[petermcneeley]

Sounds very unpleasant. How do you get groceries? To me this is like having to fetch water from a well rather than using pipes.

[queenkjuul]

Uh, i go to a grocery store? How do you get groceries?

[petermcneeley]

With my car.